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Do they really think they're doing right?

Nakohichi
Nakohichi
I have my son's 'confession'. I heard the ICE agents speak with my son. One of them said that they found over 2000 'suspect' cps on his computer. This was half way into the talk they had with him when they got him to the squad car.
And then my son said that he knew there may be 1 or 2 in there. I heard it in the officers voice, there was a silence and a couple seconds of silence.
They thought they got a big time child porn producer. When they first broke into his house, after sticking the gun to his head they accused him of producing, editing and distributing.
Those few seconds and the sound of this officer ... he knew they didn't get who they thought. All of a sudden he knew that this was just a young man who had a couple cps among the over 2000 (2335 to be exact) other music videos. But they decided to go ahead with this sham of a arrest and accusations. After that they tried to build a bigger case against him. Also put a cp with a 3 y.o. in full description on the front of his plea. He was never even charged with that cp but they refused to take it off.

So... I know others here have gone thru similar situations. Do you think those agents really think they're keeping the children safe, or do they realize they're ruining lives with false accusations?

They get awarded and praised by their comrades. Is this worth it for them? In my opinion these are the sick people. They spend every day of their lives thinking about child porn and sex with children. How can you be normal? And then they arrest people like my son. Do they really think they're right?

I have a feeling they know they're ruining lives but they're stuck some kind of social group where they pat each other on the back and forget they used their power for no good.
ThoughtAsWeak
ThoughtAsWeak
I think maybe some may think they are doing good, but after awhile, I believe they see how much what they do hurt families and not really doing anything to make a deny in removing CP viewers. For every one person they arrest, a dozen more have peeked at the 'forbidden fruit' some not even intentional.

If they truly wanted to make a dent , they would go after those that produce the CP (actual cp, not pics of fully clothed). But they don't invest the time into those, they waste their time on online chats and those who downloaded or viewed it (wither intentional or not).
aladdin4d
aladdin4d
From what I know it seems only volunteers do these kinds of investigations and while many agencies provide mental health care because the of materials being investigated, few take advantage of those services. I think they want to be exactly where they are doing exactly what they are doing.
LillyMom
LillyMom
From what I know the agent was a state policeman = bored. Then he went on to a presigous agency = bored. Then he went to an agency w/ 3 letters = fantasy forfilled, dramatic raids aplenty!
aladdin4d
aladdin4d
Yeah there's that too. I know of an agent in southwest MO that bounced around a couple of different sheriff's offices and rode these kinds of investigations straight into a DHS position even after he perjured himself on the stand. I read a probable cause affidavit of his his a while back for an arrest made during a compliancy check. It said "The suspect spontaneously confessed to downloading child pornography as soon as I approached."
Suchaslife
Suchaslife
Some seam to think that they are. But they only seam to go after the guys who are looking not the ones who are makeing it.
amynmesa
amynmesa
It takes a certain kind of person to want to become a cop. They crave power and control. They get high off the notion that others fear them.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tribute-to-survivors-of-child-sexual-assault-by-law-enforcement-officers/180584842010594?sk=wall
Nakohichi
Nakohichi
Those kinds of groups should not be allowed on facebook.
Advocate2
Advocate2
Nako - my experience was similar with my son's arrest - it was clear that they thought they were going to get a big time CP person - something interesting was that they asked me if there were any young girls in the family - I said yes - I have 4 nieces ranging from 4 to 6 and they looked at me and said No no no that is too young - are there any over 14? Meaning that the CP they discovered was not kiddies but instead teenagers like my son told them.
coolrich001
coolrich001
Why not? There are other groups that say hang all offenders. Why not cop offenders too?
Nakohichi
Nakohichi
I don't coolRich.. I just don't like seeing lineups for anyone. And I think FB is not the appropriate place. Maybe if it were a real website then it wouldn't bother me. After all these cops ARE the ones who think my son is the bad guy.

Advocate - This is a big issue for me. If they can seeing into our computers with P2P and see that there is a snippet of cp then why don't they take the extra time and see what the other downloads are. If they did they'd see that they're not cp. But ignorance is bliss for them. And when they do these 'invasion of privacy' they're totally covered. I read in the search warrant that they're allowed to do anything they want to get an arrest and can not be held responsible for illegal action, nor can they be sued. So they have free reign to do as they like and the law allows them, without retribution.
Advocate2
Advocate2
Also at least one of the software programs they use has been questioned several times as to its accuracy - it had also been proposed that it looks into non shared folders which is an invasion of privacy
Nakohichi
Nakohichi
But according to new laws the police and ICE agents can do whatever they want to get their guy without retribution. They're covered. It is an invasion of privacy but seems they can break the law to get the job done. And our government has seen to it that they won't be punished for it.
So much for a free country. Police state!
Nakohichi
Nakohichi
From an article on ROUNDUp software . here's the full article.
Seems like it's semantics to me. : If it quacks like a duck it's not a duck.

https://www.cs.umass.edu/news/latest-news/brian-levine-and-marc-liberatore-develop-software-help-police-apprehend-internet-c-0

The software does not allow law officers to hack into an individual’s private computer, Levine and Liberatore are quick to point out. It simply provides law enforcement with an “optimized interface for observation” which allows an investigator to watch the open activities of remote peers on the network. It is a situation they liken to a police officer observing a drug transaction on a street corner. “It’s not magic and it’s not hacking,” says Levine. “This allows regular shoe-leather, routine police work, the steps of which can be tracked and verified just as in any other search for evidence.”
Advocate2
Advocate2
Yeah that is not the software they used in my sons case - I cannot think of the name of it right now - but it was developed by a cop that dapples in software as a hobby!!
Nakohichi
Nakohichi
It wasn't the software used in my son's case either. I would guess they all work about the same. But I like that they think they're not invading someone's privacy but just watching from afar .. I don't see the difference.