Families of Prisoners Support Group
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As dreadful as prison is, in this case, it may be a blessing as it may save your son's life. Something has to get him off the streets and away from his addiction and the drug scene or he will either die or live a terribly shortened life due to health problems relating to his addiction.
The last thing you want is for the police to contact you in the middle of the night with the news that your son has been found in a ditch somewhere with a bullet in the back of his head. This does happen.
I had a cell mate once that had taken three teens, stripped them of their clothes, herded them into the trunk of a car, shot them, and burned the car----all because of a drug deal that went bad. One of the teens was directly in on the deal and the other two were witnesses, so he killed them all. We hear about these kinds of crimes and wonder if they ever happen, well trust me, they do.
Prison won't kill him and it might not be much worse than some of the conditions he lived with on the street.
There is another young lady here that was is in the same situation you are currently in, with a daughter who had major substance abuse problems who could give you some personal insight.
Her name is 595185777dbf. She and I have messaged a few times and she is a nice lady.
Not only was I in prison myself for almost a decade, I also had a daughter whose actions were much like those of your son as you described. She has been to prison at least twice, in the county jail for long periods of times on numerous occasions, has alienated her entire family, and still is a drug addict.
As I said, prison may save his life, but don't expect much in the way of any drug rehabilitation while he is incarcerated. A few states have decent programs, but programs are not worthwhile or effective. The feds have a much longer, intensive drug program, but it does not appear as if your son will be in a federal prison.
With no real rehabilitation, inmates with drug problems have a very high recidivism rate upon release. Once out he needs some heavy therapy and a highly intensive program to help him with his addiction, followed by a lifelong commitment to something like NA to keep him on the right path.
You mentioned that he will need to get a job in prison to finance his calls, etc. He will not get rich working for the DOC. I had the highest paying job on the yard and it was only $37.50 per month. Most inmates were paid only $15 to $20 per month. A few took jobs within the prison making furniture, license plates, or some other commodity for an industry with a prison factory, but even those people only made anywhere from $60 to $100 dollars a month.
Most DOCs will take out a certain percentage for the inmate's savings PLUS a monthly amount for any restitution or fines he or she might have, so as you can see, inmates are very, very poor.
I am a support person for the families of inmates, so I wish you well. And I personally want to thank you for being the mother who refused to abandon her son. For that, you are one of my heroes.
Your son is not an evil person, but he is a young man who desperately needs help.
God bless you,
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I hope you know that in the past three hours you have helped me very much. Yes, having him off the streets is a huge relief and Blessing as it was to the point where he was facing being killed or killing another. i myself am a recovering alcoholic and am a believer in the NA/AA etc. 12 steps and fellowships. My son still "thinks" he can get better by just not having the drug/alcohol in his system, I explain to him that is only the beginning of recovery. Now, Prayerfully, he will grab any literature and wisdom he can during his time.
Thank you for the other Mom's #, I will send a request to her. Is it ok for me to tell her how I came across her number?
Ya know, really, I didn't expect my son to make tons of money, I more like the idea that his mind and body are working and thinking. He is very talented in carpentry and art. His last short stint in his state prison (6 months), he worked in the kitchen and grabbed on to the religion program. You hit the nail on the head in saying when he gets out, there is a priority of a continuing program even a full time re-hab. We are tossing around the idea of his coming back here to live and stay clean/sober. I am not sure though as my granddaughter, his daughter is 6 and lives in his state. I also believe there may be a probation period after his release. It's too soon to say and I try real hard just to deal with this day. It's very easy to get caught up in jumping ahead.
I am real sorry that you were falsely accused. God has shone on you for all of those years taken from you as you are very well versed in your writing, very informative and helpful. Every now and then I close my eyes and try to imagine no drugs/violence, it is very hard to do.
I will Pray for your daughter, just maybe one day, she will have enough and surrender to her addiction.
God Bless You Too,
Joanne
Well, he can't, yet many drug users think they can and wind up in rehab or back in prison. The control of addiction is much stronger than the will of the addict.
He will have to make a lifelong commitment to stay clean and away from the drugs. A true drug addict will always be a drug addict, but he can control the process.
From a medical standpoint, drug addiction is like any other disease process. Think of drug addiction more like diabetes. Both are medical diseases that attack the body and both are diseases that can never be cured. In diabetes, we can control the disease state with insulin or other oral meds, along with the proper diet and exercise, but the diabetic will always be a diabetic.
The treatment only provides symptomatic relief, not a cure. The blood glucose level of a diabetic will be within the normal range when treated properly, but will quickly jump up if treatment is discontinued. This is something your son must remember.
Drug addiction---or any substance abuse addict----also alcoholism, is not curable. In a true addiction, the process is always there, but, like diabetes, it can be controlled and managed if we take the proper steps with possible meds, treatment, support groups such as NA, and a lot of support and love from the family.
So many busybodies look at drug addiction as some kind of inherently evil process which only attacks trashy people as they think that somehow they are morally superior to other folks.
Many researches think one of the possible causes of drug addiction is that there is a chemical imbalance in the brain. If that is true----and I have to think it is one of the causes of drug addiction in some cases----it is only by the grace of God that Mrs. Busybody or a loved one is not suffering from this disease.
Just remember, your son is not crazy, he is not evil, and addiction is not a moral failure. He has a medical condition that needs fixing.
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I " " the word thinks because I know what it will take for him to get and remain in sobriety and then understand his own physiological chemestry, face his demons emotionally. I always tell him that It's not easy, but it sure is worth it. (a Nar-Anon saying I believe).
You really should write a book! Joanne
He told me when he was in prison, that he needed to be there. That if he hadn't got arrested, he would of done something way worse than he was doing, maybe killed someone or been killed. He said to me, not to cry, but to be happy. He was safe and getting his head together in there.
He did not hang out with the jerks that were into fighting or drugs, and other things. He took classes, he worked out, he stuck to himself, and he got a job in there. Took printing classes, but hated all the studying. That was never him. He hated school.
Now he won't work a REAL job. He loves outdoor jobs, so he works with his contractor friend, or does landscaping with another friend that has a business.
Funny thing is most of his friends that were into drugs finally got scared straight. Most of them landed in prison, or jail. Most of them got out, and started businesses with the money they made while dealing. While that wasn't good, at least they used it to start a better, drug free life.
All of them have families now, and are doing really good. Mine got his own home last summer, and his whole group of friends came to help remodel, paint, put in beautiful lighting, cut a tree down, and trimmed up the whole yard. That was the first week he had it.
He built a big walk in closet for his gf before they moved in. He has now landscaped his yard, and is about to build a new garage.
He was an addict, he is now thriving. The doctor screwed it up by giving him Oxycodon, which was his pill of choice before. He took them because he was desperate. Then when the doc saw that he had overdosed on it years ago, he stopped prescribing it. He was hooked again, and got it illegally. But he decided that was not going to keep happening. He has 5 kids.. 3 of his own, 2 of hers. He had to grow up. And he is doing awesome.
I took the four years he was in very hard. It was my BABY.. but I was also used to it because my fiance tends to land in prison for DUI's a lot. He is in right now.
Ask REW, he calls me the MATRIARCH of DS Families of Prisoners. HAHA
I have been on here for 9 years. It is my addiction I guess. I get advice, have wonderful friends, and I try to help people with their situations from my experiences with son and fiance being in prison so much. At one point both were in at the same time. One in MN, one in WI, so I went to see both of them. I was known as Prison MAMA
You miss them. You are sad that this happened, but you somewhat get used to it. You learn to have a life, after the shock and sad stuff wears off.
You also learn from them that prison is not the scary place we are led to believe by TV shows. It is mostly boring.
My fiance is in classes now, for alcoholism, and joins classes he is not demanded to take. He has a job in there, which keeps him busy and makes his days go faster and he took up making these really cool things, that we sell to help pay the bills and for what he needs.
I have many ideas if you need some, on many things. I have been around this prison block many, many times, UNFORTUNATELY!
I am hoping to have FIVE years with no one in prison. Wonder if that will ever happen.
In the beginning you are depressed, you feel sad that this happened, and wonder what you could of done differently. The answer is nothing. It was and is out of our control. Especially regarding any kind of addiction. Realistically, they don't choose it either. I think it chooses them. Some people are predisposed to this type of thing. It is genetic and a learned behavior sometimes.
I found facts to prove that.
My fiance wanted to get to know things about his dad's side of the family. His dad left him and his mom when he was a baby. So I looked at genealogy stuff online. Found so much on his family. They were pretty much very well known people throughout many generations. I concentrated on the ones back to his great grandpa who was a general in the Civil War.
I found out that half of his family were pentecostal christians and very good people. The other half were alcoholics. Mostly the men.
I found out that some of the men would wander off, or sneak off and be gone for days... to drink and cheat sometimes too. Some would be gone a LONG time, some had second families hidden somewhere not that far from the first family. Some never came home.
One of his relatives was pretty much a outlaw. He actually hid Billy the Kid and his gang, up until they were all killed. This is true.
His great grandpa or great great grandpa ( i forget) sat in the trenches of the Civil War, or in his tent at night and wrote a diary, which was pretty cool.
But the point is, way back in history, a lot of his family were all drunks, they all disappeared to drink and find other women. Mine has done ALL of this. It is in his genes.
Mine is also bi polar. If you know anything about that, they don't like the medications. They make them groggy and sleepy, so they go off them, and get more anxious so they self medicate with booze or illegal drugs.
There is nothing that we can do about how they were born, what is inside of them. We can't do anything about their actions and sometimes they can't seem to control them either. It is a curse they were born with.
I read up on this for my psychology class.
Anyway, I have rambled enough. I will be on here watching for you. HAHA as the " matriarch", it is my duty. LOL!!!
REW says I am, I don't say that.
While his arrest and probably imprisonment is heartbreaking and scary, you can maybe look at this as a way to a better life for him someday after he is out, and an opportunity for him to straighten out his life.
His addictions will be addressed and hopefully he will get the help he needs.
He will have a roof over his head, where he is in a controlled environment, that most likely he will not be harmed at all. In his homeless, addicted life he was in danger.
Every time I saw my son stoned, I was sad and worried about him. When I heard what he did along with the dealing, I was terrified. I was scared he would be killed or end up in prison for life for killing someone. He had people after him, for his drugs, or for not paying up, or taking over their territory for selling. It was a scary, awful world he was living in. Prison ended that.
Sure we don't want them in prison, but at least we know they won't be killed. Not that many in prison do get killed, if they don't hang out with the gangs or bad types.
It was a chance for my son to start over fresh, and get better. For the most part he did. Except when he got injured and was hurting so bad he found drugs again, first given by doctors, then he had to find them. But he wised up fast and got himself into treatment for it, and seeing a counselor is something I am surprised he would ever do. He hated them as a teen.
In prison they have a lot of time to think what has happened to their life because of their addictions and actions caused by it. They have time to think of the possibilities in their life if they aren't on the drugs or alcohol. They have time to say Hey it is time to man up and do what I have to do, to make changes that will make my life better.
It is sometimes a miserable time. Especially losing your freedom. But what life did your son have out there homeless, and addicted and scared?
It is a hard time for them to think of how they messed up. But it is necessary. And after they are out, they HAVE TO remember how awful prison was. You lose every human freedom. You have people in with you that are awful to be around. Depressed people, angry people. People that in your normal life out here you would never associate with. They are annoying and rude. It is not fun. It is not a bunch of guys just hanging out. These people are annoying, and creepy and weird.
My fiance was stuck in a room at night with 15 other guys. No privacy, no quiet room to sleep in, no security that your little bits of belongings you have won't get stolen.
It will put what is possible out here in a better perspective. He may finally realize it is time to be a person like most of us are. Not fighting to live the way that was not working for him.
Our power and internet has been intermittent since the storm on the 23rd. I want to thank you SO very much for your writings in your replies. You are so right! I feel better placing my self in a group that is experiencing same situations. I am also a recovering alcoholic currently in IOP and have been one on one for 2 yrs now. My Father's side were also all alcoholic and all from down south. I think it's awesome that you were able to research family bkgrnds and genes which are hereditary. I did educated all 3 of my children as they grew. My eldest son, 36, and my babygirl, 26, are very well to do, independent, healthy, and successful. My son, 28, has had the addiction demons since our separation/divorce. Well-I mean all of his pain began from there. I don't blame any one thing or person as I am somewhat educated in addiction and have worked with youth's from the 14-21 either on their way to Jamesburg or coming from.
My son has had small little stints in the jail systems in his state. 30 days, 2 wks, the most was 6 months in the state prison back in 2009.
I know everything you wrote is exactly head on. It was my fear to even hear my phone ring the month of may and june. After his being arrested 3 times from march - june, I knew it was either going to be his death or his killing another just as you said. His girlfriend was calling several times a day/night trying to cope with his spiral out of control and fighting every night. (He is by nature very gentle, loving and kind), as the drugs and alcohol deteriorated his brain and of course, his health. I had already turned it over to God long before this and he would call and he is always honest with me. Eleven years active addiction, 7 yrs off & on the street, mostly off, completely off the past 6 months. I did Pray for his arrest in order for him to have any kind of chance to get his self and his life in order.
He will have his hearing this tues. and we will know more about his placement and sentence time between the 2 counties. I am very slowly, with the help of people such as yourself and my IOP group and counselors, beginning to handle and accept things as they are and they should be. The more I talk with my son, the more I am hearing my real son talking. He assures me every call that he will be fine. Your experience with your son and fiancee' and your sharing with me what this time can do for my son if he grabs it and wises up is very encouraging. Both myself and my son are feeling more hopeful everyday. I am typically one to plow through whatever life deals me, and I have weathered a ton of "stuff"
through my life! I am a "bootstrap grabber" in rough times. I really believe that since his last arrest june 8, I was exhausted and relieved at the same time. As I was able to gather more info and turn most of my worries into hopes, I am feeling better and stronger as my usual self. I do know the road won't be easy for him, I have told him that, BUT...I tell him how worth it it will be.+
I can almost hear your voice in your writings! I love the Prison Mama title you have earned by REW!!! He also has shed very helpful encouragement on my son's situation.
I got goosebumps with your son's story. You must be very proud and happy for him!! I know as a recovering alky, sobriety from drugs/alc for the rest of our lives is a one day at a time Blessing. I never want to take that fro granite. I wish your son and his family will have a very long healthy, happy and drug free lifetime and get to enjoy the privileges life shares with us.
Maybe your fiancee will have enough soon and get it together. For myself, I could not stop the relapses until I not only dug and dealt with my emotional pain, but then I had to learn as you spoke of, the genetics of the disease. I am so grateful for my DUI in 2011, as that was where I bottomed out and turned it all around. With the help of God (I believe in, no offence intended), and my Mom, and children, and now grandchildren!! THEY crack me up and I live to see them every chance I can!
I wish for you to have a time when prison is no longer a part of your days. You are so strong too, I can hear this also as I read your story. I bet you have a great sense of humor too!! Mine is coming back little by little, I LOVE to laugh :)))
Thank you again so much for you taking the time on this site to care enough to help so many. I'm sure there will be ups & downs over the next few years, but it won't be anything worse than his street life. I do see the Blessing and I have never lost hope for my son just as I will never give up on him. Thankfully, I learned the "stop enabling" thing long ago. I love him enough that I let him be mad at me sometimes, but we never lost touch with each other.
Well now, you have a nice night and a few smiles too :)
Joanne
I have to be strong, to get us through this. He is a man, they think they are the stronger sex. WRONG!! We deal with things, most men react to things.
My son is still a work in progress. He falters at times, but all in all he is tackling his problems head on.
My fiance should look at my son for positive vibes. He should see that the world may be against him, but I am not, and some others do understand.
I hate that the justice system really doesn't acknowledge that addictions are not a choice. They treat it all as a criminal offense. Do they really think that people LIKE to live this way? Always one step closer to either death, or incarceration? Always looking over their shoulder, waiting to be arrested for something?
In a courtroom once, the judge asked my fiance, Mr Hxxxxxxxx, when you were on your way to the bars, why didn't you drive yourself to treatment? I thought my fiance was going to jump over the table and choke the idiot. His lawyer grasped onto his hand as he was about to throw the table over and lunge at him. ( he is not a violent person) He took a breath and said Your honor, obviously you don't understand alcoholism. It is a disease, as cancer is. People don't choose to be an alcoholic.
The judge went balistic on him. Maybe he knew someone dying of cancer or that had died. He threw the book at him. This is the mentality of the court system. Maybe they should research the facts before they are allowed to pronounce a sentence.
Getting a job in a prison is not for the money, for sure. It really is about giving them something to occupy their mind instead of just sitting around getting angrier.
It is about having a purpose to their day. Without that they will not see what life is about. It is about doing something good, in your day, being proud of your accomplishments. And this will spill over to other aspects of their lives.
It is to wart off depression. Lord knows being in prison IS depressing. And if a person has mental health issues, of course depression will only get worse. People don't think right when they are depressed.
I was depressed a long time during the first parts of his incarcerations. Add to that I lost jobs, at the same time, I was a mess. I laid around, did nothing but cry a lot. I had no purpose to my day, I felt awful about myself and life. I didn't do anything to improve what I could control. Then I got sick of that, and said Time to fix Twhat I can fix.
Treatment in most state prisons are useless. They are just something to show society out here that they are trying to make a difference. In reality they don't care. In fact they want them to re offend when they are out. Prisons are a money making industry. They supply jobs to so many in the areas they are in. From the cops, to the court, to the prisons, they are money makers. If they release people sooner, or don't incarcerate as many but put them in alternative to incarceration programs, the economy of the area they are in would suffer.
Think of the amount of jobs are created, and that flourish by having people in trouble, from the first step all the way down the line.
My son is fine now, partially because he has a huge support system. People that love him, people that stood by him through it all. People that still do all of that.
My fiance has no family he associates with and very few friends. He feels that. I am his only person in his life to stand by him. It is a tough job, but someone has to do it.
Most would of abandoned him years ago, most did. Not me. I saw the man inside of the fascade, inside the innuendos people say about him, inside the criminal record. I did research also. I felt he was worth every effort possible and was ashamed of the people that turned their backs on him or criticized him.
If you have no one that cares, no one that will stand by you, what would be the motivation to make the changes needed to have a good life and be a good person in society?
And, has society been fair to him? No, they judge him and some do much worse. He has a heart of gold, and a need to please people. But when he fails, he falls back into the little boy who could do no right according to his step dad.
Those connections make a person the way they are. If you are always told you are no good, you sometimes lean that way. You lash out. Or like he did, too, he tried TOO hard to prove himself to everyone. Only prove to yourself you are worth it. That has to be the motivator.
Prison takes everything away from them, then expects when they are released they won't run out of that door, and not go a bit crazy getting back the life that was stripped from them, along with their humanity.
Love the sinner, hate the sin... kinda is right.
Deal with what they did, help them, and they will be better. Criticize and destroy them more, what do you think they will do
A puppy is born innocent. He will be a cute, loving puppy, if treated right. But that puppy may turn into a mean dog, if his owner beats or starves him. It is called self preservation.
I stopped explaining it to those folks long ago. His father and Sister are the worst ones. For a very long time my son did as your fiancee, always trying SO hard to live up yo his father's standards only to be constantly condansended on, ridiculed and too many times embarrassed in front of others. I also agree regarding the "system" not only is it a moneymaker and source of employment, it's the most corrupt racket in our country. It makes me sick as does our government. If only that magic wand thing were real!
I will keep You and your Loved Ones in my thoughts and Prayers. Sending you some positive-ness across the web :) Keep strong and know you have helped me much :)
I am sorry for what you are going through with your son. My daughter started using when she was 14. I and practically every member of our family tried everything over the years to help her without success.
She didn't speak to me or anyone in our family for two years. We knew she would end up dead or in prison. Well......she has just served 18 mos of a mandatory 8 year sentence for distribution. The year awaiting her sentence was the hardest part for me. Her first year was rough as she tried to accept what had happened and the rules, noise, bed, count and being alone but surrounded by women. She was obsessed with a loser boyfriend. I was so sick of hearing about this guy. It has taken 18 mos but finally she rarely mentions his name.
Now that my daughter is clean for the first time in 16 years she is like a different person. She is several states from me so when I visit we spend 2-3 days setting in cheap plastic patio chairs enjoying each other's company.
I hate that my daughter is locked up but I know in my heart she wasn't going to stop until she was forced to do it. She knows that too.
I need to get something's done this morning but I will share more with you later.
Oh, one last thing....my daughter has two jobs now. She is a "big sister" to new inmates. Sadly, there is a steady stream of mostly ladies arriving weekly. She calls it the bus stop. The new inmates stay in a separate unit for two weeks while they learn the rules.
Her new "healthy" obsession is exercise. She is a trainer for a weight loss program started by the warden. I think she earns $80 a month for these two jobs.
I know you are going through a horrible time worrying about your son. There is hope and he will find his way too.
God bless you both,
I am so happy that you shared your story as I think it is typical of many mothers struggling with children who have been affected with drug or substance abuse problems.
Wow. Your daughter is a mentor now to new inmates. You must be very proud of her. I know I am.
Sharing your story is important as it shows others with children in prison that yes, there IS hope and yes, there ARE success stories. Many times we only hear the horror stories, but there are also many stories where people got it all together in prison and do well after their release.
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In the sharing of your path with your daughter, It sounds like she just may be grasping the positives offed and available while completing her time. I hope they have resources for her for her release where she can continue her helping others on the outside along with keeping fit as opposed to getting out and "BAM" the safety net is gone and it is so easy for them to slip backwards to what they know and think is the "easy" way. Not that addiction favors genders, but I am grateful it's my son and not my daughter. That had to be SO hard Mom5951. I'll keep you and your loved ones in my Nightly Prayer List. Thank you again for sharing. There is such a common bond on this site with folks I don't know and that bond is so special and important to all of us, me at least :).
To strngwoman66, I thank you also for sharing. My son's forst encounter was 15. He took care of all the legal penalties over 2 years, completed everything and on the final court date He was now 18 then, the *@#*! prosecutor pulled a bogus charge of an empty square 1x1 bag with residue on the sides...from his incident at age 15. OMGSH-I was livid. Ever since then, He spiraled. Resenting authority (his father taught him to do well) and ignoring the court orders. He also has a 6 year old daughter which he needs to stand up and take responsibility for. For about a year he was doing really well, then, he peed dirty, peed dirty again, and that screwed up his probation and the rest led to his several (almost bottoms), until this past march-mid june, then came the real bottom, it saved him from death.
Today is actually his sentencing hearing. There is a 3 hr difference from me on the east coast and he in the midwest. I am trying to stay busy and try and ignore all of the confusion of his 2 counties involved and the 2 different charges. I can not do anything about it but I am very anxious to hear from him later (hopefully).
As for your son, He can try for his GED, mine did 2 years ago, he is now 28. I have a certain Nightly Prayer I say for all of Our incarcerated Loved Ones at the end of my "other Prayers and Thanks" Everytime I read from another family member, I get a little stronger and my undying hope gets a boost. Thank you Guys again and may your Adult Loved Ones be led to and grasp Recovery and Success! :)
To Trust, To Hope, To Endure Whatever Comes,
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