Here's an out of the lab stem cell surgery success - I just luv those ozzies :O)

http://www.5r1claims.co.uk/news/38-medical-healthcare-news/396-ms-patient-walks-again-after-pioneering-stem-cell-treatment

It must be very time consuming collecting all those article and abstract studies. But the fact still remains that there is the process of 'gene expression' that needs to be fully understood, which to this date has only had the surface scratched. When it happens it will be "Nobel" time for someone. It will open medical doors that are only in science fiction now. It is the biggest hope for a lot of people. I would just like to be alive when it is discovered. Would be awesome! If you want to know how research is going with stem cell therapies, just look up studies on 'gene expression'. It's the big road block. Deb

It really depends on personal belief's and views I guess ie what you want to believe - that and what is already out there globally ... where there is an interest I tend to look everywhere :O) and usually find some very interesting tid bits - you should try it sometime deb - then maybe you won't need to have so many make believe journeys.

Check this out. Deb




http://www.quackwatch.com/06ResearchProjects/stemcell.html

What is the point of using embryonic stem cells when our own stem cells can do the job? Embryonic stem cells are controversial and unproven. Adult stem cells have an excellent track record. The money however, is in embryonic stem cell research, but that's a whole new topic. The problem is that many people do not even understand the different type of stem cells. I have seen posts that said all stem cell treatments should be banned because the person thought that embryos were being used. Hopefully, the word will get out and people will get educated to the fact that this isn't true.

Barbara I agree with you. Adult stem cell therapy is where all the good out comes are coming from. There is a big difference between using an embryonic cell that is blank & not imprinted at all. They are having some luck in mostly blood cell related diseases. At one time adult stem cells were thought to be non existent in most organs. They are there but hard to find. The problem with the lung is that there are many different type of cells involved. I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm sure it will, but it's a lot more involved than these clinics, even the ones that say they are using adult stem cells, make the average desperate person thinks. Like I said, I'm always screaming for a cure. When the missing pieces are found to successfully treat lung disease, cancers, heart disease We'll know it. It will be headline news & not false claims from these clinics. So far I've not heard of anyone or clinic that claims it can cure emphysema. It has nothing to do with beliefs, but science. By the Jooles my son is a geneticist. Deb

If you do hear of a clinic that claims they can cure emphysema, you can rest assured the clinic is bogus. No reputable clinic would boast such a thing. What is happening however, is that many COPD patients are able to discontinue using supplemental oxygen, many have improved stamina, the progression of the disease is stopped, and the shortness of breath dramatically reduced or eliminated. There have been no reports of a dramatic increase in FEV1, but the other improvements seem to be enough for many to be willing to give it a try. Unfortunately, clinically relevant treatment is not available in the U.S. and patients must go offshore. That brings us back to the original subject of this thread. If Regenerative Sciences wins the case, we can expect to see clinics open in the U.S., close to our homes, with doctors who follow safe guidelines for adult stem cell therapy. I am not saying these clinics will have a cure either, but to be free of sob, portable oxygen, feel better and not have the disease progress is more than anything else that can be offered to COPD patients at this time without invasive surgery.

Okay this has gotten funny. Barbara I totally agree with you. If they'd just come up with something to halt the progression that would be grand. They are close to marketing the Vinpocetine for inflammation in the lung. No side affects either. It blocks NFkB that causes inflammation & excess epithelial cells that cause further damage. I've been getting it from a herbalist. Dr. said it wouldn't hurt. I'm not wheezing like before. I guess that's a good thing.We would have to pick one of if not the hardest organ to fix. As soon as those trials are started in this country,I'll be in line. Best of luck, Deb

Let's hope the lawsuit is in favor of the people as well it should be. :)

The success stories I've read globally have been patient's own stem cells NOT embryonic.

My own belief based on what I've already read, is using ones own stem cells is the way forward for those who may benefit from this surgery.

Broaden your horizons deb - don't restrict your reading to the quacky chappy. There's a whole world out there beyond it and its not all quackery. :O) Truly

What do you mean 'broaden my horizons'. Do you have any degree in science or know anything about my background? NO! You don't know squat about me!!! Deb

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Jus kinda noted you echo mr quack chappy a lot!

Goodnight Gracie!!

I take vinpocentine as well. You can buy it at most vitamin stores. I take 10mg in the morning and 10mg at night, always with food. Another helpful thing for lung patients is inhaled glutathione. This product does need a prescription however.

Someone asked for info on Xcell in Germany which does autologous stem cell therapies. There is a program on German TV called Frontal21, which is similar to 60 Minutes. They did a story last October on Xcell called "Deluded Patients" Below is the link. I've also put the accompanying text translated by Google, so it will have some flaws, but you'll get the general idea. I myself have no knowledge about this company, so cannot say whether these are isolated cases or not.
http://frontal21.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,7919313,00.html
Deluded patients
Shops with stem cells

of. A. Baumann, C. Esser, S. Muller and A. Randerath

With the hope of a cure can earn much money. ALS, Alzheimer's, diabetes, MS and Parkinson's, spinal cord injury and stroke: The company XCell-Center, based in Dsseldorf and Cologne promises to help seriously ill, provides stem cell therapies. Healthy stem cells are taken from the bone marrow, isolated and injected back into the body. The healing cells will be given to the path itself to the damaged organ. But scientists warn of such private companies.

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Heinz Reichmann, "High health risk"
The chairman of the Society for Neuroscience, Professor Heinz Reichmann sees a serious loophole. "This allows doctors in private clinics that treat the so-called adult stem cells in humans," says Reichmann. In the Netherlands such a thing is forbidden. In Germany, however, the business of stem cells is completely legal.

The treatment costs several thousand euros XCell, it can sometimes be 25,000 euros. On its website, the stem cells promote healing of old Parkinson's or spinal cord injured patients who may appear to move almost normally.

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Petra Aschenbeck: "Disappointed"
Hope and lost money
XCell-patient Petra Aschenbeck is not on there. She was unable to work because of Parkinson's disease. As medicines were not helping more, the disease worsened, she discovered the Internet, the company drew XCell and hope: "There, a man has been described in Parkinson added that the practice was healed, that he could drive suddenly Motoring . And of course that gave me hope, and then I thought: Yes, if the can, you can, too. "

They borrowed from their parents than 6,000 euros went to XCell, hoping - in vain. For their condition after surgery to XCell has apparently not interested. No one inquired of her whether improvement has occurred. Petra Aschenbeck is deeply disappointed. Now she's back in neurological treatment, they can relieve their pain only with physiotherapy.

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Daniel Meiske will complain
From Texas to Dusseldorf
Daniel also Meiske of Austin, Texas, we went to stay with his expensive XCell no better. He suffers from a progressive disease of the optic nerve promised to cure through stem cell therapy.

When he later wanted to make his anger because of the false hopes that were aroused in him, he did not reach a doctor or patient advisor, but a lawyer for the company. Who tried to appease him and offered as compensation Meiske 500 euros. Daniel Meiske against Frontal21: "I feel lied to me from the beginning."


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Daniel MeiskesTherapierechnung
No scientific evidence
The German Society of Neurology, Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinson's warning before a stem cell treatment. The health risks are too high, the benefits proved - at least not yet. Professor Heinz Reichman, chairman of the German Society of Neurology advises from his patients from the therapy, because, among other brain haemorrhages and brain inflammation may arise during the procedure and "because I have seen no scientific evidence anywhere that this form of therapy with the current skills and knowledge to bear fruit. "

Who such a dubious and dangerous while offering therapies, must be verifiable by the authorities, says Reichmann and calls for better protection through legislation. Before 2010, the European Medicines Agency (EMEA) for the EU to decide whether the business of stem cells healers are not legally permissible.