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Cirrhosis is a consequence of chronic liver disease, most commonly caused by alcoholism and hepatitis C. Ascites is the most common complication of cirrhosis and is associated with a poor quality of life, increased risk of infections, and a poor long term outcome. Liver damage from cirrhosis cannot be reversed, but treatment can stop or delay further progression and reduce complications.

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Upper right quadrant pain

On a serious note, does anyone here ever experience persistent dull burning type pain under the right rib? It starts almost high center and descends down and under the rib. I havent slept in days. I was taking amoxicillin when this started. My last major varice bleeding episode was brought on by a really caustic antibiotic called Clindamycin. I was supposed to stay upright for 30 minutes after taking it but forgot. I cant afford to go to the hospital unless it is an emergency. Just wondering if anyone here as accompanying local pain with the cirrhosis they have been diagnosed with.
Thanks all.

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deleted_user
deleted_user

I've had that pain for years. Seems to come and go, but always in the same area you describe. It's uncomfortable at times, but I've gotten used to it.

My GI doctor says it's not the liver, but the "capsule" of connective tissue surrounding the liver, particularly under the rib like you said. We don't worry about it. I have an MRI every six months and they don't see a problem in that area.

As always, check with your doctor, my issue may be totally unrelated to yours.
Levicah
Levicah

Thanks wilbur, I've been drinking lemon and water and ate some fresh chopped avocado and garlic for breakfast. The pain is subsiding, I'm not going to finish the course of amoxicillin.
MLTTexas
MLTTexas

Levicah, I assume you know that you're not supposed to abruptly stop taking an antibiotic, that you're supposed to finish it. Better check with either your doctor or pharmacist about that. Stopping can cause a relapse of whatever you're taking it for.
pugdaddy
pugdaddy

Absolutely....shortstopping a course of antibiotic treatment is risky - and can be very counterproductive. Please check w/your pharmacist or doctor first -
Levicah
Levicah

Thanks you guys, I know, but I just cant make myself take another pill. Last time I felt like this, I ended up in the ICU for 4 days. I'm feeling awfully sick right now. The amoxicillin was for a very persistent sinus infection I've had for nearly 4 weeks now. I figure they can switch meds come monday. Hopefully. Somethings not right. I get so used to feeling bad on any given day. This feels horrible.
deleted_user
deleted_user

Levicah, lemon and water is great. I drink a lot of diet cranberry juice mixed with diet Sprite or something similar, haven't had the dark cola drinks in many years, don't know why but just don't care for them any longer.

I do the same with water, sometimes it just needs a little boost and lemon or lime juice really helps.

Maybe your doctor can try a different antibiotic, because as Marilyn said, you're not supposed to just stop suddenly taking them.

They are meant to work for a certain amount of time, so if you need to take them for 14 days, etc. you need to keep taking them as prescribed. Skipping doses or stopping doesn't give them time to take care of whatever infection or other problem maybe going on.

I've been given Amoxicillin several times, never had any problems with it. Might just be a coincidence that it happens at the same time you're experiencing the liver pain I mentioned above.
deleted_user
deleted_user

Forgot to mention, but more on the humorous side of things.

Avocado and garlic for breakfast? All I can say is "yuck".
Levicah
Levicah

Ha Ha wilbur!
My eating habits really get turned around, God help me and the 84 food groups....cold cereal for night, pizza, burritos and all manner of spicy food in the morning. I love oats, but I can rarely handle them in the morning.
Amoxicillin update: I know this is going to sound weird, but I have a barometer of sorts. When the palms of my hands get extremely hot and bright red and the skin on my arms gets drawn and dry, I know it is only a matter of time before I start passing blood. Something in me reacts violently to certain antibiotics. I'm all better now.
deleted_user
deleted_user

Boy, I am getting an education of sorts today. I, too have problems with hot, itchy palms and actually, itchy skin in general over and above the winter dryness. I have been using a little "olive oil" rubbed in well and then add a little soothing lotion. It has worked fairly well for me.

I, also, want to reiterate the idea of not stopping antibiotics until told to do so. The reactivation of the infection you are treating is sometimes much worse than the initial problem. Believe me, I know.......first hand.
At least, run it by your doctor first and if he/she thinks that you have probably been on the medication long enough, it may not be a problem at all. Some folks just can't take antibiotics at all. The Clyndimiacin is particularly wrought with problems it seems. At one time, due to a serious, life threatening infection, I had Clyndimiacin, Vancomycin and one other..........IV. Mega doses of each. It finally handled the infection for which they were prescribed but not before my digestive tract was totally destroyed with C-Dif (twice). The antibiotics killed all the bacteria, the good as well as the bad. Then, the slightest germ sort of grabs on and won't let go. I treated for 3 months trying to get rid of the C-Dif problem. Thought I was going to die for sure. This was 3 years before I was diagnosed with advanced Cirrhosis. Often wondered how the exploratory surgery I had didn't show some signs of liver disease then yet, 3 years later my liver was 65% destroyed with Cirrhosis.

Enough about me.........So glad to hear from you WilburTheCat. You have been sorely missed!

Hugs and prayers to you all..............CarolLentz
deleted_user
deleted_user

Carol, in regards to your situation with C Diff... I have never understood why in the hospital doctors will give these massive antibiotics - knowing it's killing both good and bad bacteria - and then not also prescribe a probiotic to go along with the antibiotics. It makes no sense to me. My mom's PCP always encourages my mom to take a probiotic when she has to go on an antibiotic BECAUSE of the possibility of getting C Diff. Yet in the hospital, doctors don't do it. Boggles my mind.

BTW, my mom's doc told her that Florastor in particular is very good for helping prevent C Diff when you're on an antibiotic and to keep it up for a couple weeks following the end of the antibiotic. (And I read research stating the same thing - Florastor being great for C Diff prevention.) I always put her on Florastor when she's on an antibiotic. And then once that's done, back onto her normal probiotic.
deleted_user
deleted_user

keribearie, I've always been confused with how antibiotics work.

Like you said, they're essentially killing everything, the good bacteria you need along with the bad.

Luckily I've never had any bad reactions, maybe I end up with just enough good bacteria that regenerate and get things back to normal.

Still kind of scary when you realize what's actually happening.
Sammy566
Sammy566

The liver itself will not cause you pain, but if your liver is enlarged, it puts pressure on on the large intestine.

The large intestine makes a very sharp left turn, "if you are looking down at yourself"

at this spot.

On normal people this is a common spot for gas to be trapped, on people like us, it happens more often.

My doctor told me to take Gaviscon, it is an over the counter product, and I no longer have the problem.

Before you take anything you should get an ok from your doctor, and I'm only talking based on my own experience.

good luck.
deleted_user
deleted_user

Wilbur, I know for women in particular, it's highly likely for a woman to end up with a yeast infection after a round of antibiotics -- mainly because all the good bacteria has been killed that keeps the yeast under control. And that's only the minor potential issues! Let alone getting something horrible like C Diff (which actually was the turning point that caused my father's death in the hospital a couple of months ago).

From what I hear it is best to take both antibiotics and probiotics. However, you're supposed to space them out. Like let's say you take an antibiotic dose at 12:00pm... then you wait 2-3 hours to allow the drug to do it's job, and then take a probiotic to replenish the body with good bacteria. Rinse and repeat after each dose.

It amazes me though that doctors do not do the same in the hospital when people are in there obviously ill (hence hospital) and in need of good bacteria to help their health get back in balance. If the PCPs of this world realize it's important to do both, you would think the hospital doctors would realize the same. Like I said, it boggles the mind.
deleted_user
deleted_user

That upper pain under your rib could be your gallbladder. Look at symptoms of gallstones. This is a common pain site. Sometimes the pain can shoot up to your shoulders and upper back. See your doctor. My husband had this pain to the extreme (was on his knees). I rushed him to ER and he had a gallstone stuck in his common bile duct (shared with the liver). They had to remove his gallbladder-was infected and he also had pancreatitis. Please call your doctor and get this checked out pronto!
Levicah
Levicah

Thanks kacc, they took my gallbladder out years ago and for the most part, I am better for it.
Since this thread got revived, I will post an update.
After reading about C-Diff mentioned here, I read about all manner of gut problems. My Doc switched me to regular penicillin, which at this point was almost as nasty as amoxicillin. I could not finish that course either. We went to a topic oral rinse (long story about sinusitis/upper teeth roots, extractions, etc). I think it is all about gut fauna, because a month later, my digestion is still messed up. It is getting better but very slowly. I really have to watch what I eat and my blood sugar has been bottoming out on me.
So, antibiotics really mess my gut up. I dont care much about what a doctor would call it...as long as it keeps getting better.