I can only wish that we could edit a post. After I found the "Doctored" link on YT, you have to click the link below the title of movie, and then create an account. I don't want to do that. So, sorry for leading you on a wild goose chase, which was not my intention.

You are all entitled to choose to use kratom or not BUT, to post information that leads readers to believe this substance is "completely safe", " all natural" is misleading and comes directly from various sellers website testimonials.
People who come here and read these "advertisements" or links to websites, as well as recommendations for strains and dosages could very well be the next fatality because of this stuff being posted about how "safe" it is, or be dismissed from pain management because they have believed what they read here that it is just some" supplement".
If it works for you and you are comfortable with risking it, that's your choice, but please consider for a moment, others who know nothing about any of this world of pain management, and the risks associated with taking any substance not regulated and tested to ensure their safety.

Interesting topic,.. Cant comment, haven't tried it, and,.. looks like Kratom is Illegal here in Australia, I would definitely prefer a natural solution / remedy over my current pain management plan..

My only concern FOR ME,...and for others,... would be a lack of information and the regulation requirements / guidelines etc... especially reaction risks with other prescribed medications.. eg, affects on INR / Warfarin etc,..

I have Lupus SLE n MCTD, and take several medications to help stabilize symptoms,.. ie,.Prednisone, other Immunosuppressants, anti-depressant medications, Lyrica, Blood vessel dilators, Warfarin etc etc,. Pain management is only one part of my Lupus treatment.

Consideration into possible negative reactions to my current management regime and the mixing of an unregulated supplement, would be a high on my agenda before trying it,....

For Me personally, I would definitely, play it safe and dicuss with my Pain Management team and other Specialists prior to trying it.. in the hopes of preventing any possible negative interactions

So glad some are finding relief, and, are having positive experiences with Kratom, I , totally love the idea of finding natural solutions over pharmaceuticals., any day,.... ie like MMJ... sigh, again currently Illegal here in Aus...

Cheers Seek..

@Jeremy: yes my Pain Contract is far more extensive and detailed as to what types of meds I can take and in what emergent situations I can take anything not on the list.

@FightenF: You said, "what about the side effects of our prescription drugs" We do get warnings of the side effects of our drugs, that's why you get the 2 - 4 page insert with every prescription, it tells you exactly what you can and cannot do while on said drug, the side effects, warnings, etc.

the reason you can put Katron as part of the blame of the deaths of those who use it, is because they don't give you any information about what you can or cannot combine it with, no list of side effects, no warnings of if you mix this with "X" it can kill you. You might find more info if you research it on the net, but realistically how many teens/twenty's are going to go look up something before they take it? Its the misinformation and negligence created from that misinformation from the corporation that creates it and markets it that makes it dangerous.

And as Sandim said, it's not a matter of anyone saying you can't use it, it's the fact that people are portraying it as something that its not.

My last post on this subject is this. You made my point...how many teans/ young adults will take anything given to them at a party?? Not one will say oh, I need to look this up. Alcohol IS a drug and kids in grade school are drinking, smoking pot, etc. having no idea what it's laced with. Maybe those who died, snorted it or stuck in in their vein, added herion or whatever to it? The parents have no clue how it was taken or with what exactly. Maybe they raided the parents medicine cabinet. Parents are last to know. I at least informed myself and in my 50's can make an educated decision, teens brains aren't fully developed, just listen to Dr. Phil. I know what I am taking and with what. I'd rather take K than stop breathing on prescription drugs, or get arrested for pot. Prescription drug deaths are on a huge rise! I have personally been given less and less meds for my pain to the point I can't work, where I used to work full time. I can't shower for days at a time, where the K at least gives me enough energy, pain relief to shower.

I don't care if someone takes it or not, but those who post that they can't take the pain anymore, I am going to give them a choice to do their research and make an adult decision. Better that then they reach the point of suicide, which I considered at least 15 times in the 10 yrs of pain, spending the weekend on the couch crying it hurt so bad. Thinking my pain was never going to get better, so why suffer. As I said in another post...it SAVED me from killing myself a month ago.

Let's please not discuss kratom on this particular forum. For those that use kratom or have used it and like it, please feel free to PM and I will tell you what CP boards have more support for people that use kratom for their pain. This isn't the place for discussion on kratom. We need to ensure kratom continues to be available for people that need it and this particular forum is not the place for this discussion for obvious reasons.

Thank you.