Chronic Pain Support Group
Physicians and professionalsdefine pain as chronic if it lasts longer than three to six months and is persistent. It's distinct from acute pain that is a direct result of injury or trauma. This support group is dedicated to those suffering from chronic pain. Discuss treatments that have worked for you, find advice for your specific experience, and find support. You're not...
ralop
I am tired of winter! They seem to get longer every year? They seem to be colder every year too! I am Northern California, San Francisco born, raised from there on up to mid Oregon, Coastal hills Southern Oregon, and been stuck in Salt Lake City, Utah, high desert country for the better 1/2 of my adult life. I want to go home where it's warmer. I love the snow, but it is getting harder to deal with in age and with chronic pain,. I see why everyone was moving south when I was younger and they were getting to be my age now. I thought, why would you want to be where it gets so hot? Ha! Now I get it!
The chronic pain will be 10 years this August. Wow, a freeking decade and I am no closer to better pain management or less pain, I have no life activity right now to speak of, quality of life is in the garbage can. I can't seem to wrap my mind and certainly can't wrap my heart around the way the great U.S.of A. is treating us. They killed one of the only supporters we had in the so called war on drugs. Her name was Siobhan. She was an angel here for our cause.
I am now down to 1/2 the dose, which was almost the correct dose, from a year ago. The doc I have been seeing only wants to do his specialty with procedures of needles in the spine and invasive dangerous, risk to me crap. So he's now got me in enough pain I will either go away to find real help, or allow him to do his *$!@ procedures and risk my spine being worse.
They say they are So afraid I will go to sleep and not wake up because of the meds and dose it takes to have any relief or activity. He is really only wanting the $1000.00's of dollars for the procedures, rather than just an office visit for meds, and not such a risk for him. He isn't treating me. He is treating the system in place. I don't know why we don't all have someone push us in our wheel chairs to our respective State Capitols and sit there until they get the DEA out of medicine so the docs can do their work. I was waking up every day on the dose over a year ago, and I'm waking up now. I have been waking up for 10 years of days now.
This doc tried to blame my central nervous system's, over sensitivity symptoms, to a hyperalgesia / allodynia symptom caused by long term high dose of opiates. It is a real problem and my symptoms look like it. So..... I trust this guy and allow him to supposedly take me off this one med assuming he will replace it if needed along the way. I go thru over a year of lowering meds and rising pain levels/rising pain intensity to hear him say at my last appt he will leave me where I am at on 1/2 the dose, with a look on his face of contentment. I asked a few appts ago about another med I l know works for me and he said I wouldn't like it because the patch would irritate my skin.????? He is not taking me off the med which is supposedly causing this other intensifying central nervous system problem. My daughter even asked him about it at the appt and he shrugged that one off too with a comment, "oh,you remember that?"
Even my counselor says this one is a quack. I hope he reads this.
I am not sure if I hate him for crumbling under the pressure from without to not hold loyal to his oath as a doc, or the system in place which is unrealistic and ineffective (that's being very nice with my words) or the Chronic pain, worse. I hate the pain the worst, that's a no-brainer. But, I am so disappointed in how people, even in the medical community, don't get what suffering in physical pain constantly really means. I get so caught up in the victim stance, because I am a victim in this experience, and it is difficult to stay in any healthy frame of mind and spirit about it.
Like walking aimlessly through a maze with no outlet. Only I am about crawling desperately looking for the answer to how to get outta here, where ever 'here' is.
I can't believe I am writing the same thing I was writing when I first found this Daily Strength community 5 plus years ago. I was clueless then to the attitudes of, "your just a drug addict" back then. I didn't know that docs would save their own bum before they would treat you with respect and dignity. They will lie if they must. I didn't know about the sales on the street of pain meds, I didn't know about any of the DEA crap going on in the country's "War On Drugs," I was ignorant of the whole story.
Now I know, I completely understand each sides experience and reasoning for their positions, I don't presume to have answers to their problems. I do however know there is a way to solve all the problems with THE TRUTH and for some reason, the Truth for a chronic, severe pain patient, PERSON, human being, is suffering, is real, and is not being addressed. It is being swept under the huge rug and we cannot see each other from the other side of the room because the pile under the rug is too big and in the way.
Then there is the person who has had the perfect outcome with their surgery and their doc and they are healed and active and they presume we who are having a different experience are, "Just not doing " this or that, or your attitude is unhealthy, or something to make this happen but it's not as bad as you say it is, and the doc would never do this or that."
So now I am a liar and a drug addict and my pain is not real or as bad as I say and I need to pull myself up from the boot straps and get real!! Friends disappear, family members have all the answers and treat us badly, the community we live in is unresponsive and not accountable for anything, the docs have no real responsibility to us any more and the law can and will throw us in prison for the dose we need to take???
I don't want to write these real truths anymore, and really don't want to live them any longer.
I want to be heard. I want to be trusted and be able to trust. I want the best possible quality of life (which means; the least amount of intensity of pain level for the longest period of conscious hours in each of my days so I can have activity without severe suffering.)
I feel more like a lab rat than a human being in this system of dehumanizing people and rules and regulations before sane thinking and procedural practice.
I do not want to spend the few minutes of tolerable pain level ( not pain gone, but tolerable pain) I had today writing this reality to you.
I want to type all the words of spiritual growth I had last night and the simple abundance, living my life like a prayer everyday, how awesome my grand kids are and how nice it was to see the blue sky and sunshine today rather than the 4 day snow storm and cold wintery week it was.
And I will write these things in other posts, and I will share support with those who need help and give uplifting promise and hope to others who come here looking for it, because that is what we do best here on Daily Strength. We support and lift each other up in a way no one else can or will. But this moment I am so angry I cannot change this very real truth many of us are continuing to experience.
It is cold outside and it is cold looking for real help with chronic pain issues. I want spring to come with all the hope of an awesome, plentiful harvest to come in a season or two. A harvest of real answers to real problems of real pain and suffering that need not be happening. My prayers, my moments of conscious living each day are a prayer to be better tomorrow, a little progress toward better quality of daily living experience for those chronic pain patients who must live everyday with this pain. Not terminal patients, who somehow have the right to have their pain diminished because they will be out of it soon and to leave the chronic pain sufferer to have to live with it....???? This thinking is insane.
Sorry for the rant. It's been building all winter along with my pain levels. Last night and this morning were real bad. Might as well have been sawing my spine in half with a hacksaw or huge knife. It becomes so intense with no relief insight and it will be 10 years of this daily experience this summer. A decade of my mid-life gone to useless suffering in intense severe pain.. Not the legacy I was preparing to leave.
Looking for a way out of the maze. Hope I didn't offend anyone with my reality or my opinions. If I did I apologize, and please let me know. I am open to anyone's opinion.
Love Light Truth & Service,
"Stubborn"
TerrieAnn
ralop
The chronic pain will be 10 years this August. Wow, a freeking decade and I am no closer to better pain management or less pain, I have no life activity right now to speak of, quality of life is in the garbage can. I can't seem to wrap my mind and certainly can't wrap my heart around the way the great U.S.of A. is treating us. They killed one of the only supporters we had in the so called war on drugs. Her name was Siobhan. She was an angel here for our cause.
I am now down to 1/2 the dose, which was almost the correct dose, from a year ago. The doc I have been seeing only wants to do his specialty with procedures of needles in the spine and invasive dangerous, risk to me crap. So he's now got me in enough pain I will either go away to find real help, or allow him to do his *$!@ procedures and risk my spine being worse.
They say they are So afraid I will go to sleep and not wake up because of the meds and dose it takes to have any relief or activity. He is really only wanting the $1000.00's of dollars for the procedures, rather than just an office visit for meds, and not such a risk for him. He isn't treating me. He is treating the system in place. I don't know why we don't all have someone push us in our wheel chairs to our respective State Capitols and sit there until they get the DEA out of medicine so the docs can do their work. I was waking up every day on the dose over a year ago, and I'm waking up now. I have been waking up for 10 years of days now.
This doc tried to blame my central nervous system's, over sensitivity symptoms, to a hyperalgesia / allodynia symptom caused by long term high dose of opiates. It is a real problem and my symptoms look like it. So..... I trust this guy and allow him to supposedly take me off this one med assuming he will replace it if needed along the way. I go thru over a year of lowering meds and rising pain levels/rising pain intensity to hear him say at my last appt he will leave me where I am at on 1/2 the dose, with a look on his face of contentment. I asked a few appts ago about another med I l know works for me and he said I wouldn't like it because the patch would irritate my skin.????? He is not taking me off the med which is supposedly causing this other intensifying central nervous system problem. My daughter even asked him about it at the appt and he shrugged that one off too with a comment, "oh,you remember that?"
Even my counselor says this one is a quack. I hope he reads this.
I am not sure if I hate him for crumbling under the pressure from without to not hold loyal to his oath as a doc, or the system in place which is unrealistic and ineffective (that's being very nice with my words) or the Chronic pain, worse. I hate the pain the worst, that's a no-brainer. But, I am so disappointed in how people, even in the medical community, don't get what suffering in physical pain constantly really means. I get so caught up in the victim stance, because I am a victim in this experience, and it is difficult to stay in any healthy frame of mind and spirit about it.
Like walking aimlessly through a maze with no outlet. Only I am about crawling desperately looking for the answer to how to get outta here, where ever 'here' is.
I can't believe I am writing the same thing I was writing when I first found this Daily Strength community 5 plus years ago. I was clueless then to the attitudes of, "your just a drug addict" back then. I didn't know that docs would save their own bum before they would treat you with respect and dignity. They will lie if they must. I didn't know about the sales on the street of pain meds, I didn't know about any of the DEA crap going on in the country's "War On Drugs," I was ignorant of the whole story.
Now I know, I completely understand each sides experience and reasoning for their positions, I don't presume to have answers to their problems. I do however know there is a way to solve all the problems with THE TRUTH and for some reason, the Truth for a chronic, severe pain patient, PERSON, human being, is suffering, is real, and is not being addressed. It is being swept under the huge rug and we cannot see each other from the other side of the room because the pile under the rug is too big and in the way.
Then there is the person who has had the perfect outcome with their surgery and their doc and they are healed and active and they presume we who are having a different experience are, "Just not doing " this or that, or your attitude is unhealthy, or something to make this happen but it's not as bad as you say it is, and the doc would never do this or that."
So now I am a liar and a drug addict and my pain is not real or as bad as I say and I need to pull myself up from the boot straps and get real!! Friends disappear, family members have all the answers and treat us badly, the community we live in is unresponsive and not accountable for anything, the docs have no real responsibility to us any more and the law can and will throw us in prison for the dose we need to take???
I don't want to write these real truths anymore, and really don't want to live them any longer.
I want to be heard. I want to be trusted and be able to trust. I want the best possible quality of life (which means; the least amount of intensity of pain level for the longest period of conscious hours in each of my days so I can have activity without severe suffering.)
I feel more like a lab rat than a human being in this system of dehumanizing people and rules and regulations before sane thinking and procedural practice.
I do not want to spend the few minutes of tolerable pain level ( not pain gone, but tolerable pain) I had today writing this reality to you.
I want to type all the words of spiritual growth I had last night and the simple abundance, living my life like a prayer everyday, how awesome my grand kids are and how nice it was to see the blue sky and sunshine today rather than the 4 day snow storm and cold wintery week it was.
And I will write these things in other posts, and I will share support with those who need help and give uplifting promise and hope to others who come here looking for it, because that is what we do best here on Daily Strength. We support and lift each other up in a way no one else can or will. But this moment I am so angry I cannot change this very real truth many of us are continuing to experience.
It is cold outside and it is cold looking for real help with chronic pain issues. I want spring to come with all the hope of an awesome, plentiful harvest to come in a season or two. A harvest of real answers to real problems of real pain and suffering that need not be happening. My prayers, my moments of conscious living each day are a prayer to be better tomorrow, a little progress toward better quality of daily living experience for those chronic pain patients who must live everyday with this pain. Not terminal patients, who somehow have the right to have their pain diminished because they will be out of it soon and to leave the chronic pain sufferer to have to live with it....???? This thinking is insane.
Sorry for the rant. It's been building all winter along with my pain levels. Last night and this morning were real bad. Might as well have been sawing my spine in half with a hacksaw or huge knife. It becomes so intense with no relief insight and it will be 10 years of this daily experience this summer. A decade of my mid-life gone to useless suffering in intense severe pain.. Not the legacy I was preparing to leave.
Looking for a way out of the maze. Hope I didn't offend anyone with my reality or my opinions. If I did I apologize, and please let me know. I am open to anyone's opinion.
Love Light Truth & Service,
"Stubborn"
TerrieAnn
ralop
I'm sorry you all in the USA have such horrible probs with your health system, we have addicts here abusing the system also but i've never had a problem getting the meds i need.
I don't have any words of wisdom for you but wish i did.. I gather you've had many different opinions over the years or have tried different docs?
I've been really depressed an angry since xmas (more than usual) and told my pain doc last week i need to talk to someone because its all getting too much and my anger and hopelessness is getting overwhelming. Will probably have to wait months for an appt but hope that it will eventually help when i talk to someone. Can one of your docs refer you to someone to talk to?, if not i hope coming here helps, even a little bit.
Take care and i hope your pain is at least bearable today.
Regards
Maddy
I would like to welcome you to our family!! Our pain and suffering binds us together. Some of us are chronic, some terminally ill, bottom line--everyone of us lives with daily excruciating pain. What sets us apart are our life experiences and our varying diagnoses. Noone here is less important than the next. We are all unique and it is our pain that unites us. We all have our Mt. Everests to climb and my family here has helped me immensely with my struggles as I am sure we will help you. Bottom line for me both chronic and terminally ill patients deserve to have quality with little to no pain.
As for me personally--I had chronic pain for over 5 years --terminally ill for less than 6 months and delining. Fighting to live right now bc I have 2 children under the age of 12. I am in pain every day and choosing to keep med doses lower for now so that I can make some memories with my kids even though it means my pain is higher. I am 35 years old and a trauma RN on disability. I will try to help in any way that I can.
Beth
I am against all invasive procedures. Specially since the life threatening infection in the meds from that one compounding pharm.
Stick to your guns. Find a new doc who treats you like a PROPER customer and not a pin cushion with $$$$ for him to purchase a new Porsche.
Yes to your question I have been seeing a PTSD Trauma Therapist for approx a yr now. It is also something I am doing a tug-a-war with. Nights are the best and the worst. I do all my emotional/psych work alone at night and with my therapist, who also knows what chronic pain is. He is wonderful, and I don't know if I would have lived through the past yr without him.
I've been clean and sober in recovery from "addiction" for 20 plus years now and so I get pretty ticked off when ah ignorant medical person says to me of course I am having troubles, I'm addicted to the meds, and they don't know the difference between physical tolerance and addiction. The assumptions run wild. I have a difficulty with my heart caused by the life long anxiety of PTSD and a long bout with infections in my body called PSVT where my heart works double time to pump any blood. The difference of the way I am treated as a human being when I go in for the heart or the pain in my spine is horrific. The way I dress even makes a difference. They presume, and profile everyone into a mad house here.
I have been to... let me try to count...wow ....approx 10 different docs in 10 yrs. 3 good ones, the rest a#$ho&#!! for the spine pain.
I have an MRI just about once a yr now. There is obvious injury and disease for the pain levels I am in.
I think they just don't want to deal with any of it. Like usual, they want black & white, right & wrong answers and a box, so they try to write policy and law and say good guys here's a little bit of medicine, and bad guys in the jail or no meds for you. It's a mess. We are having to wait a long time to see good docs here in the states now too, and they are going to have to figure it out or pay for us to be sick. One way or another. It's going to get too big of a problem.
Chronic pain causes so many other probs that must be dealt with, like depression and these are not being met either. There aren't any docs who are trained in the chronic pain area. Not en education nor enuf experience. We have the info for them but they don't seem to want to know from the source. I could teach it easily if I weren't in all this pain.
It is a nightmare and I get real exhausted dealing with stuff I shouldn't have to. I don't know if it's acceptance issue or more if I were treated better medically I could make some difference in my own life. It is hard just to go to see the counselor once a week or every other week. Getting dressed, the ride or the bus, the weather
outside too hot/ too cold or wet if it is the bus. Cannot take care of dishes, laundry etc. But if you just look at me from the outside in a pain tolerable moment, dressed well and make-up on, with hair nice I look like a normal, healthy person..... hence the assumptions which fly. You cannot see my disabilities.
I sure hope you figure out all your issues. We keep hoping to move to "warmer" climes - back to BC. But a lot of things against it, like not being able to get my RA meds paid for and higher income tax rates. I feel trapped here in some ways, but since I am mostly trapped in the house, I guess what is happening outside doesn't matter so much, except I used to be an outdoors person, before RA and asthma and all the rest hit me.
I will say one thing, my house is extremely well insulated and that makes a lot of difference. We also have natural gas to heat, which is cheap here, so I crank up the temperature if it gets really cold outside.
I was wondering if you might do less in winter, and your muscles tighten up? I'm really being faithful about stretches, weights and bike riding, and maybe it is finally helping. Yes, I just push through the stupid chronic pain. I'm not getting worse, so I might as well get the exercise benefits.
The weather would affect me to such a degree I would become completey immobile so I am understanding about the weather.
I am in the PNW. When I read about all the problems many of you have with either your medications or doctors so uncaring it astounds me. I don't understand why there is such a disconnect.in the country. In my over 40 years of dealing with PCP's, Neurologists and Neurosurgeons and GI docs I have had the utmost of respect and caring. Sometimes it makes me feel like I don't want to talk about how well my doctors listen and respond.
Now, I have fired doctors that did not listen to either me or the special needs children we adopted. I have limited time and resources for someone not believing in me nor what I say.
So I am beyond being astounded at your experience. This should not be happening to you and my heart certainly goes out to you
Thank you for sharing such a heartfelt description of your experiences.
Joanne