Jonsparky did you ever have low blood sugar symptoms with herxing? I always get blood sugar problems when I take probiotics or anti-candida herbs so seem to be in a vicious cycle!

Thanks!

Lisa

the whole "Candida" conversation is new to me. are we talking something like Thrush yeast like baby's get (white tongue) or yeast infections like ladies or just something living in your gut? when y'all have it under control, do you not feel the me/cfs "tired unto death" feeling? i'm willing to try anything to get rid of some weakness and get a little energy.

love the "mainstream medicine is good for emergencies and surgery but has few answers for CFS..." quote @saraswati

Yes Saraswati, the die off will give you the same shaky cold sweats. But I also have a insulin resistance problem, so I don't know if the candida was the only cause for the hypoglycemic type shakes.
Zilinna, I wish it was that easy! It is a matter of getting the candida under control, you never eliminate it all together. Candida is a Symiotic relationship, it is just when it gets out of control, that is why it is called an overgrowth. We don't know what is the cause and what is the reaction. CFS can be the cause of the candida overgrowth, or the Candida could be causing the fatigue... But it does help a lot to get the candida under control!
Hope this helps you.
Jon

To those of you who think you may have a candida problem along with the CFS, what are your symptoms (other than the awful fatigue)?

sometimes I get what I think may be a stomach ache, then I scratch my skin its my skin that is sore. I get terrible brain fog when my candida is high too.

I had it real bad, the symptoms I had were:
Bloating, gas, indigestion, loose stools, skin infection, brain fog, big time! fatigue, another way to tell, the stool smells like ammonia. So the symptoms get worse after eating sugar, bread, fruit, or processed carbs. This all started when the guy that stocks the food decided to stock the kitchen with moldy foods that were being thrown away at the local stores, a brilliant way to save money, that needed up costing thousands in medical bills.

It is well known now that sufferers of chronic fatigue syndrome and other unexplained syndromes are subject to multiple infections from viruses, such as Epstein-Barr, to fungi and yeast, such as Candida species.

There are about 100 different types of candida.
If your going to open the dorr on Candida the its very worthwile to do a full BioFecal screen not one that just targets the candida family. Why just fire one arrow hoping it will hit a bulls eye 300 metres away when you can fire 100 arrows in the similar test protocal and very likley hit the target with 2 or 3 ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candida_(fungus)
Some of it is nessecary in the right population size.
Overgrowths are the thing to watch out for.

Eliminating sugar (the fuel for gram negative bacteria overgrowths) by the reduction and elimination of high carb and sugar in diet is very advisable.

Bio Fecal analysis is a very accurate way of ID'ing bad pathogen overgrowths.

Elimination Diets come into their own when coupled with BioFecal

(N/B good and bad bacterium need to work in harmony in the gut, its overgrowths that need intervention.)

Analysis. ie analysing the fecal balances of bad bacterium to see if there are any of the nasty overgrowths of good or bad pathogens ie;

Pseudomonas aeruginosa (IgA),
Pseudomonas aeruginosa (IgM),
Citrobacter koseri (IgA),
Citrobacter koseri (IgM),
Hafnia alvei (IgA),
Hafnia alvei (IgM),
Klebsiella pneumoniae subsp. pneumonia (IgA),
Klebsiella pneumoniae subsp. pneumonia (IgM),
Morganella morganii subsp. morganii (IgA),
Morganella morganii subsp. morganii (IgM),
Pseudomonas putida (IgA),
Pseudomonas putida (IgM).

Gram negative bacterium (anything that thrives on sugar), the bad bacterium which are needed in a particular balance gets out of balance more quickly in a ME/CFS hence why sugar and white breads , white highly refined carbohydrates that easily convert to sugars are advisable to avoid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathophysiology_of_chronic_fatigue_syn...
CFS patients reportedly have higher rates of Chlamydia pneumoniae infection than controls.[46][49] The possible influence of mycoplasma is disputed, with reports for[50][51][52][53] and against.[54] A review concludes the role of mycoplasma as causal agents, cofactors, or opportunistic infections is not clear.[55]Gram-negative enterobacteria and increased intestinal permeability may be associated with severity of CFS symptoms.[56] Associations of multiple bacterial and/or viral co-infections (mycoplasma, Chlamydia, HHV-6) with increased severity of signs and symptoms have also been proposed.[49]
End Wikipedia quoat
As a result, particularly the bad bacteria can go out of balance very quickly because our bodies have a reduced ability to modulate the bad bacteria balance due the reduced natural killer cell activity, altered cytokine expression, chronic lymphocyte activation, hence incresed infections and also hence increase in GI pain, bloating, wind and IBS- d or c due more rapid bad bacterium growth rates. (Men are often IBS-d, Women are often IBS-c. When this occurs we are far more susceptable to triggering Immune intollerance levels of either Salicylates and or Amines and or Glutamates as well as migraines, crashes are more frequant and our general immune activity is higher or much higher thus limiting our bodys ability to ward of infection, infections are therefore more common, and we are more susceptable to a relapse with a multitude of symptoms (bush fires all over the place to try and control). A very exhausting scenario.

http://aboutmecfs.org/forums/showthread.php?10775-It-s-all-in-the-Gut.-Why-we-get-ME-CFS&highlight=candida+ME%2FCFS

http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/condition.php?category=physical&condition=CFS%2FFMS

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=candida&sp-a=sp1002c9a9&sp-p=all&sp-f=ISO-8859-1&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

http://www.johndommissemd.com/page/368510

Sorry to say this Ali, but your post really stressed me out. Maybe it's the brain fog, but I can't follow all of that. It helps me to hear Jon and others tell their symptoms and share anything that has helped them.

The article is pretty much saying the same thing; starve out the yeast, by avoiding sugar and processed carbs. I don't know about the bio fecal tests. my doctor did a antibody bloodiest, as the primary test , and mostly went by the symptoms. I agree that you need to hit this with everything you got, even prescription drugs if it is real bad. There are a lot of natural products out there that will help, along with the dietary changes, should do it!
Jon