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midnight77
Dear CF Friends,
I'm only recently back from a non-intentional hiatus from the group (due to a crashed laptop), and have just started participating in some of the recent threads. Now, though, I'm wondering whether my participation there has been such a good idea.
I may not be qualified to say so since I wasn't around when the group was founded, but I believe the first and foremost purpose of this group was for "fellowship" -- that is, to be a place for those who share a faith in the name of Jesus Christ to support one another, encourage one another, and so build up the body of Christ. As anyone who has read any of my posts will know, I am not by any means one to shy away from good and healthy debate as part of legitimate fellowship -- the idea being that we exchange ideas and opinions in a loving and friendly way, we are forced to re-evaluate our own positions and consider the merits of those who differ from us, and afterwards, continue to love and support one another as brothers and sisters in the same faith. That's at least what I think the role of debate in Christian fellowship should be. Now, however, I am troubled by the notion that something fundamentally different may be going on.
In a series of recent "discussion" threads, certain users (I don't think I need to name any names) seem to be on a mission to systematically question and challenge a number of what most of us would probably consider "core beliefs" of the Christian faith. Although I respect the mostly diplomatic and courteous manner in which they have presented their views, it is becoming increasingly apparent to me that their purpose here is not to share fellowship with those who share in a common faith, but to win converts to their own particular point of view. The exact name or nature of their particular viewpoint does not matter. The important reality (as has become increasingly apparent to me) is that these posts do not seem to have any bearing on building up or strengthening the body of Christ, except possibly that narrow segment of the body of Christ (if it may indeed be called that) which agrees with this particular narrow point of view.
Just to make myself crystal clear -- I am a Christian of what might be called a Reformed persuasion. I have no doubt whatsoever that I would have serious disagreements with some (or most) of you if we were to discuss certain topics that are particular to the Reformed faith -- e.g., sacraments, predestination, eschatology and other areas where my faith tradition would think quite differently from (for example) a Roman Catholic, Baptist or Evangelical tradition. I am not saying that there is no place here for discussing issues like these if it is done in the right spirit. However, I believe that the Roman Catholics, Baptists, Evangelicals (etc.) here are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and as such I seriously question whether it would be appropriate or well received this group if I were to start making posts to the effect that the Reformed view of things like the sacraments, predestination or the end times is the only valid Biblical view, that these views were "obvious" from a proper view of Scripture and therefore that all other views that disagreed with mine were misguided, unbiblical, or just plain wrong. That (to me anyway) seems entirely contrary to the intended spirit of a "fellowship" group -- and that is very much the vibe I am feeling from the recent series of posts to this board.
What do the rest of you think? I think we could continue arguing the Scriptural truth with these "agitators" (to use a Pauline word, one that I think is very apt in this case!) until we are blue in the face -- and I do not believe that any of their positions or arguments would change, but the atmosphere of this group as a supportive, helpful and loving place for believers of all stripes would undoubtedly be severely damaged if not completely destroyed as a result of that course of action. I have already (in my two days back) heard from multiple individuals who have stated that they have left this group as a result of the nature of the recent discussions. I think we are headed down a road where "Christian Flame Wars" might replace "Christian Fellowship" as the de facto name for this group -- and I, for one, would not wish to see that happen.
I don't necessarily have a proposed solution to this problem at the present moment in time, but I think the time has come for the group to come together in a serious discussion of these issues. I am not saying this because I do not think I can win an argument with these people -- I actually believe quite the contrary, as anyone who has known me long can attest. :) What I am saying is that it is not worth winning this type of argument if it comes at the price of destroying the soul of this fellowship group. I would very much like to hear others' reactions to these observations as well as any suggestions on how we can move forward from here in a way that maintains the integrity of our Christian Fellowship group.
Yours in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit --
Adam
I'm only recently back from a non-intentional hiatus from the group (due to a crashed laptop), and have just started participating in some of the recent threads. Now, though, I'm wondering whether my participation there has been such a good idea.
I may not be qualified to say so since I wasn't around when the group was founded, but I believe the first and foremost purpose of this group was for "fellowship" -- that is, to be a place for those who share a faith in the name of Jesus Christ to support one another, encourage one another, and so build up the body of Christ. As anyone who has read any of my posts will know, I am not by any means one to shy away from good and healthy debate as part of legitimate fellowship -- the idea being that we exchange ideas and opinions in a loving and friendly way, we are forced to re-evaluate our own positions and consider the merits of those who differ from us, and afterwards, continue to love and support one another as brothers and sisters in the same faith. That's at least what I think the role of debate in Christian fellowship should be. Now, however, I am troubled by the notion that something fundamentally different may be going on.
In a series of recent "discussion" threads, certain users (I don't think I need to name any names) seem to be on a mission to systematically question and challenge a number of what most of us would probably consider "core beliefs" of the Christian faith. Although I respect the mostly diplomatic and courteous manner in which they have presented their views, it is becoming increasingly apparent to me that their purpose here is not to share fellowship with those who share in a common faith, but to win converts to their own particular point of view. The exact name or nature of their particular viewpoint does not matter. The important reality (as has become increasingly apparent to me) is that these posts do not seem to have any bearing on building up or strengthening the body of Christ, except possibly that narrow segment of the body of Christ (if it may indeed be called that) which agrees with this particular narrow point of view.
Just to make myself crystal clear -- I am a Christian of what might be called a Reformed persuasion. I have no doubt whatsoever that I would have serious disagreements with some (or most) of you if we were to discuss certain topics that are particular to the Reformed faith -- e.g., sacraments, predestination, eschatology and other areas where my faith tradition would think quite differently from (for example) a Roman Catholic, Baptist or Evangelical tradition. I am not saying that there is no place here for discussing issues like these if it is done in the right spirit. However, I believe that the Roman Catholics, Baptists, Evangelicals (etc.) here are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and as such I seriously question whether it would be appropriate or well received this group if I were to start making posts to the effect that the Reformed view of things like the sacraments, predestination or the end times is the only valid Biblical view, that these views were "obvious" from a proper view of Scripture and therefore that all other views that disagreed with mine were misguided, unbiblical, or just plain wrong. That (to me anyway) seems entirely contrary to the intended spirit of a "fellowship" group -- and that is very much the vibe I am feeling from the recent series of posts to this board.
What do the rest of you think? I think we could continue arguing the Scriptural truth with these "agitators" (to use a Pauline word, one that I think is very apt in this case!) until we are blue in the face -- and I do not believe that any of their positions or arguments would change, but the atmosphere of this group as a supportive, helpful and loving place for believers of all stripes would undoubtedly be severely damaged if not completely destroyed as a result of that course of action. I have already (in my two days back) heard from multiple individuals who have stated that they have left this group as a result of the nature of the recent discussions. I think we are headed down a road where "Christian Flame Wars" might replace "Christian Fellowship" as the de facto name for this group -- and I, for one, would not wish to see that happen.
I don't necessarily have a proposed solution to this problem at the present moment in time, but I think the time has come for the group to come together in a serious discussion of these issues. I am not saying this because I do not think I can win an argument with these people -- I actually believe quite the contrary, as anyone who has known me long can attest. :) What I am saying is that it is not worth winning this type of argument if it comes at the price of destroying the soul of this fellowship group. I would very much like to hear others' reactions to these observations as well as any suggestions on how we can move forward from here in a way that maintains the integrity of our Christian Fellowship group.
Yours in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit --
Adam
Adam summed up a certain attitude of "proselytizing" on another post. It really rubs me the wrong way, too. But if we begin to "pull tares", how far do we go? I know I can't just do what "Joey" does, and whistle "Dixie" and do a little "glory dance", though. I've got to do something different. Maybe I need to condemn other cults, like Advent (who sent me to Israel for free 10 years ago, when I was living in a homeless shelter). Or Roman Catholicism (I'm sure LW would not appreciate that!). How about "Church of Christ", and 100's of other somewhat exclusive groups? No. These others that have caused hurt about Jesus and Heaven are different. Maybe they "go not out but by fasting and prayer"!
If not, then I repent. I will continue to pray for that God will open doors for all of us to witness through the Bible, and through our love. I will also question the motives of people who are attempting to "deceive even the elect." If you read the epistles, they are written in love to correct many heresies. So are the gospels, for that matter, esp. John. So we are to make a stand, based on the Word of God, not the magazines of man, like the Watchtower and its adherents.
Wow..... I said there was no heaven???. When? I said Jesus is Michael??? When? I never said those things, ever!
[Moorea has never let anyone know where he is going with this]
I'm not going anywhere, I give scripture for my topics. I'm not trying to change or convert anyone. I"m just giving you what the scriptures say about certain topics. You dont have to believe them at all. I have no problem what you believe in, if it makes you happy, then i'm happy for you. If dying and going to heaven at death gives you comfort, cool. If you believe that Jesus is God and God is Jesus, I'm happy for you. I have no problem with that at all.
"I'm not going anywhere..." So.
While I know Jesus said in his parable, not to pull up the tares, or the wheat would be torn out, I had hoped we might be able to show some of these "tares" the error of their ways. But I guess we will just have to leave that to God, or the administrator of this forum. LOL