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I'm afraid that I am staring down divorce, after being together for 20 years. It's been a slow roll for quite a while, but I just don't see us getting past this.
I'm having an incredibly hard time lately understanding my part in this. And I don't mean that I have no part in it, just that he and I see things very differently. From my perspective, what we have is very much chicken or the egg.
I'll start with his side:
His main concern is that we don't have sex nearly often enough. There have been times lately where we've gone 6 months without sex. He also says that I disrespect him all the time. Some examples he's given include: I can be snappish at times, things that are important to him don't seem to matter as much to me, I didn't finish reading a very impactful book about his mental health, and while talking about a specific thing that happened - I said "Im your wife, not your mother." Additionally, he says that I say whatever I want, then think it will be ok with an apology. He also says that I keep saying I will change, and then I don't.
Lord, even when I read it, it sounds awful.
So here's my side:
For as long as we've been together, we have never argued well. I used to say that often it felt like the argument started before I was ever invited. Something very small would completely blow up. He would yell awful things at me, then usually follow it up with about 3 days of silence. He has told me that if he walks away from me in a fight, let him go because he's doing that so he doesn't say what he's thinking. This was a fairly common occurrence. Sometimes he would yell at me because I started to cry. He used to say I cried over everything.
I have low confidence and low self esteem. There are many times where I don't take compliments well. He might make a comment about how my legs look, and I would joke about losing 10 pounds - something like that. He would get mad that "always put myself down." So he stopped complimenting me completely, and he openly says this.
We used to have a good sex life. Kids changed things, certainly. Things got super busy and I had more than my share of responsibilities. There were many nights where I just wanted to fall into bed and sleep instead of having sex. Sometimes, even though I wasn't really in the mood, I'd do it anyway because I know he wanted to. He would get mad at me because I wasn't into it enough - sometimes he would yell, sometimes just leave me there on the bed crying. After that, I started feeling a lot of pressure when we had sex. I always felt like I was "doing it wrong". He stopped initiating sex altogether a few years ago and openly admits that's true, but denies that he has placed the responsibility solely on me.
Silent treatments got longer. The longest one we've had has been 11 days. Why? I got better at it. They used to destroy me, but I toughened up.
When we got married, I knew that our "stacks of bricks" were not even but we made it work. As he withdrew things from me - compliments, initiating sex, etc - he took a brick of his pile and put it on mine.
I have been carrying a heavy load for years now, and it's hard to move. Now try carrying that load through a mine field, and if you set one off, you'll be punished for things from years ago, things you don't even remember, things that were definitely taken out of context, things that didn't happen. Hard to feel connected to someone under these circumstances.
I feel terrible that our marriage is ending. And I don't disagree with some of his complaints about me. But I can't help thinking that he helped create this person that he can't stand.
Any insight would be appreciated. I feel like a complete failure right now, but at the same time, taking responsibility for this doesn't feel authentic either.
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Years ago, I won a mirrored armoire from my job. It's in my bedroom but I rarely stand in front of it. Yesterday, I had to have a dexascan done so I had to change into a gown. There was a full length mirror in the changing room. I'm aware that I gained 5 to 7 pounds over the last year from cheating on Keto but I didn't know what it looked like. It was a reality check.
You mentioned a book about his mental health. What is the mental health condition that he has? This might be affecting how he acts and how he completely overreacts to very common every day marriage issues.
Couples get snippy with each other sometimes. That is okay. What's not okay is doing it all the time, or too often, or instead of talking things out.
Your comments don't seem that bad (I tell my guy that "I am not your mother" once in awhile, too!). But your husband's reactions seem a bit extreme, in my opinion. Yelling at you over the sex frequency and during sex... is not going to make you want to have sex with him. What needs to come first is intimacy... way before the physical act of sex.
There could be some hormonal things going on that you might want your doctor or gyno to check out. These hormonal changes (that start as early as late 30's), and after having kids sometimes, will definitely affect your sex drive.
It seems to me that counseling is in order. Sit down and have a talk with him. Tell him you want this marriage to work. That you don't feel the two of you know how to communicate effectively. Ask him to go to marriage counseling with you. It helps to get an outside perspective.
If he won't go to counseling with you, then you go to individual therapy at the very least. You are dealing with a lot, and therapy can really help in the situation you describe.
Is he still in the house? There is hope this marriage can be saved. Keep trying. Do the counseling. You're going to be okay. Just have to take some actions now.
Think about what I just wrote, think about how you've put up with this abuse for years and maybe didn't even know it was abuse. Couples counseling is not appropriate or ethical in situations where one partner is abusive or engages in control and manipulation to the other partner. Instead this very likely calls for singles counseling or you alone. Try to find a therapist well versed in abuse, control, manipulation - sometimes these are hallmarks of a personality disorder (in the abusive spouse). I can't know, I just share so you educate yourself.
His intention is to beat down your self esteem and have complete dominance and control over you. These tactics you describe are not about your fault or your being bad. They are about something damaged inside of the person doing the abuse, control, manipulation (him).
#2 Many women often need trust and soul to soul connection to enjoy sex. Anyone who is abusive, who is manipulative, who goes silent and disengages with us tends to reduce our desire to have sex. Who wants to trust and enjoy sex with an abuser? I would say your low desire for this man is likely NORMAL and healthy. Your body and mind might be trying to tell you something important like he is not safe to trust and share your soul with.
I am going to say to you to get singles counseling first and foremost. Because the silent treatment is abusive, the negative comments about your body are abusive. You are also being gaslighted (or gaslit) it sounds like, blamed for the things you say that he takes major offense to. This is also a form or manipulation and control.
I think if you watched a few of the YouTube videos on narcissism from Dr Ramani, you could learn about this and see if it fits him. I would also consider his manipulation and abuse for what it is. Next time he does the silent treatment or the gaslighting, blaming of you, twisting reality into unreality, think about what is actually going on.
I think a marriage takes two people. Maybe we have been too passive when we are married to certain types of people. We don't understand the behaviors we are dealing with. You are carrying a heavy load now, so what might free your thinking to understand he has to change and he isn't going to. He wants you in the passive and easily controlled position. You could be his possession in his mind.
Yes, you need to change too, to see reality and understand control and manipulation. But you can't change a person who uses the silent treatment, gaslighting, blaming, demanding his way. This is emotional control. He might not hit you or hurt you but he is doing mind games. A counselor for you could listen to how you describe the conflict and the behaviors and confirm what is going on as far as the abuse thing I am stating.. I just read a few things and it struck me as more serious than you might understand.
Good luck on this. I divorced a guy who was similar to your husband except he didn't do the silent treatment, he did the control and manipulation around sex and money and his time with the family, he lied to me all the time. I just hear some things in your story that alarm me.
I wouldn't justify criticism in the bedroom, it sounds kind of strange and unproductive, not to mention unromantic. But women should not talk about the need for good communication, talk about how you feel or what bothers you and the moment there's some semblance of honesty, retort you said the wrong thing about the bedroom so now its out. It seems women make a lot of comments that men tolerate, Jack you could be doing a little better in that job if you prepared the reports the way your boss wanted, you hurt my self-esteem, don't like the way I work, fine I'm quitting.
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