hey buddy... no worries... this is a learning experience for all ... this group is very important and im sure will need be for others who will always go through times of wanting to stop there meds at various stages and need a place for feed back....

you will need the experience for others when they come around ...

most ppl on here are not 100% natural. i know i'm not. i take lithium intermittently. its fast acting in orotate form. natural is the ideal only. i so thought it was your stomach that kept u away.

You, sir, are no hypocrite. You have battled without medication for a long time and have gained valuable tools that you can share with others so that they can be at the lowest effective dosage, or med free. And we all know that eventually your goal is to be med free again. This is none of your doing and you fought long and hard against it. Its just that there are times in our lives when we have to follow the program. That doesn't make you hypocritical. Just think how much medication you could have been on if you hadn't cultivated the practices that you have had while being med free. It's all about lowest effective dosage. Am I med free? Hell no. But I know there are ways that I can enhance my life without the medication and that is why this group is so important to me. Just keep all of that in mind while you're getting down on yourself. Because this kitty isn't about to let you go down that path..... at least not that easily.

This old school nut job still wants to know when it became an either/or proposition! I still feel like whichever "side" I choose, I am losing important tools.

In the battle of either/or raging in my personal kitchen, I keep hearing wisdom on both sides and bitter rejection which just doesn't make sense to me. Yea, it seems like "hypocrisy" is a word I hear allot from both sides, though I am usually tuned out by the time that part comes up.

As a rule, we are sure to break it.
As a goal, sometimes we make it.

Please don't abandon us, noble founder. It is a work in progress.

I'm not going anywhere ( unless team DS decides I need another vacation again LOL), I here for the long haul.
Just feeling a little rough around the edges over this medication issue.
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this group is invaluable and i find it worthy in name and honor of its founder.... even if you still do smoke...

We are at the early stages of forming this dialogue, WW. We are ALL rough around the edges with it. I do not know, but I do believe the craving for smooth, clear edges is the heart and soul of the either/or wars in my own circle. Life has yet to respect fanatical walls in my world. This old mother is manipulating for gentle supportive dialogue which embraces what is over enforcing personal beliefs.

That includes cigs, my beloved ex-smoker Caz. Nobody in our current culture nags like an ex-smoker. Yea, I know. Ya gots a pocketful of statistified wisdom to back up the naggery.

kay.....ummm.....your stomach makes checicals for the brain too. if natural stuff stops working....and I thought I heard you say they did WW, I am tellin you that it helps. stomach helps produce seratonin and maybe more. it's a recent discovery. if that was not the problem, then sorry but I am a horrible communicator and usually, if I explain something three diff ways, people then say OHHHhhh.
I just making sure that, since you hate being on meds, that I am sure I said it.

Thanks Sigmund,

I was told that that stomach produces more serotonin than the brain by my Gdoc. That's probably why I went NUTS LOL, after 5 weeks of sickness. Hopefully we can get this all under control.

The Wolf

i will always support the sanity of not smoking ...it ruined my life...

continuing... supports weakness of will power and leads to untold damage to how the body intakes oxygen...

it is murder.... it is disrespect ...

stopping brings not only better health, but also reinforces ones own inner self respect...only good comes from quitting...only destruction comes from smoking....

we know this in our heart...and yes it is a daily struggle mentally to just gloss over the reality with and excuse that it does your weakness to deal with reality some benefit.... that's a subtle lie that we create ... it doesn't work...

i will always choose to stand up and support my friends with courage to do what they know is right in their heart of hearts

im talking cigarets not pot....

sorry for being a nagger.... i call it caring for my friends health and feeling helpless on the other side of being a smoker myself...