Atrial Fibrillation (AFib) Support Group
Atrial fibrillation (AF or afib) is an abnormal heart rhythm (cardiac arrhythmia) which involves the two small, upper heart chambers (the atria). Heart beats in a normal heart begin after electricity generated in the atria by the sinoatrial node spread through the heart and cause contraction of the heart muscle and pumping of blood.
Running/Exercise After Ablation
snowshoedude
It has been 25 weeks since my long post ablation flutter episode and over seven months since my first and only ablation. As an avid runner, I had recovery questions going into the ablation that many fellow afibbers kindly helped answer. So while things are still fresh in my head, here's a recounting of what I learned post ablation to return the favor for others who might have the questions I had. My last run before my ablation was a brisk 11miler. 2 days later, as they put me under for my ablation, I wondering if running would change for me for the better or for the worse. So I figured I would put this information out there for someone who might come here like me seeking information about running and exercise, post ablation.
So what happened? 2 days after the procedure, I went into Aflutter. I was just sitting around when it happened and I was SOOOO Discouraged even though this forum and others and my EP warned it was possible. Fellow afibbers here advised me to relax, after all, I was still in the so called blanking period. It went away in a couple of days and I was relieved!
Three weeks later, my runners brain getting the best of me, I decided I would start back into running gradually. I wanted to test things see how things felt. My curiosity was getting the best of me.
I ran a 3 mile trail run on a Monday and then repeated the same run a couple days later. It was doable. I felt OK but my heart felt like someone was squeezing it from the inside. I attributed it to the Flecainide (a drug I grew to hate). Then 2 days later, I went out for the same run and exactly 1 mile into it, I went into Aflutter. I was SOOOO Discouraged. OK I figured I would ride it out. After all, before the ablation, I had always converted on my own and never needed cardioversion. My EP agreed. Well days went by and I was still in Aflutter. When I was approaching the 2 week mark, I was SOOOO SOOOO Discouraged because I could not shake it on my own. My EP and I decided to cardiovert. It was my first ever. My thought was, MAN, I am WORSE OFF after the ablation because now I can't convert on my own any more and running now throws me into aflutter. So I went through the conversion the worst part was the lunch they served me after I did not eat it though.
OK, I decided to take a break from the running and allow for more recovery time. My plan: to start running 7 weeks later once I was off the Flec and well out of the blanking period. The Flec really made me feel weird, especially during the running I tried. In fact, I blame the Flec more for my post ablation aflutter than the procedure (but note that I am a drug hating left wing outdoorsy funloving person who doesn't like feeling chemically or socially suppressed :-).
So 14.5 weeks after my ablation, I went for a 1.5 mile run. I was SOOOO encouraged. No more squeezing heart feeling! I ran a 3 miler the next day and a 3 miler that day after that. Then a couple weeks later, going on about 17 weeks after the ablation, I went to 5 mile runs and then 6 mile runs. No issues. Happy. Happy. Happy. By 21 weeks after the ablation, I was doing up to 8 milers and stretched those to 10 milers over the next couple of weeks but limiting my mileage to around 30 a week. So my training strategy was run real short on recovery days and stretch out the long run and periodically combine short runs into an extra long run as I slowly got my endurance back. My heart really didn't feel any different than it did before the ablation.
From week 23 through week 26 after, I was unable to run at all because I was traveling in Asia in places I did not want to push my luck because of the pollution. BUT I think this was a good break for me. Give my body some time to repair from the wear and tear I had introduced it to. But got back into running at week 27 after the ablation and pushed it from 5 mile at the beginning of the week to a 10 mile run at the end of the week. I felt good. Not great and effortless but like my heart and body were able to handle it. Then over the next couple of weeks, I pushed my long runs to 11 miles, then 13 miles, and then 14 miles. I was I was SOOOO encouraged. Note that I am running slow and steady (8.5 to 11 minute miles depending on how flat or hilly the course is I am running and how energetic I fell but happy to be still running given my mid fifty-sh age.
So that brings me to the last 3 weeks. During that time, I have started to run hilly routes. As you might guess or know, running hilly routes is completely different from running flat routes. It puts way more cardio stress on you. I felt it was time to test that out. I was able to get up to a 13 mile run with some good hills yesterday. But wow, when I ran my first route with good hills over a week ago (about 5 miles), it was SOOO hard. But here's what I thought about. I've got scar tissue around where my pulmonary veins connect to my atrium to prevent the afib. Worst case, over time, I can get abnormal narrowing which can effect my performance and health.
So far, from what I can tell, I have acceptable wind doing the hills but can't tell yet whether my uphill performance will be effected. I have only done about 550 vertical gain on the steepest run I have done so only time will tell.
So 7.5 months after ablation, I have gotten through 2 disappointments but seem to be improving since. Once in awhile, I might feel a second or 2 of flutter but it goes away as fast as it comes. The things I used to do that would trigger afib (sudden posture changes, eating late etc) aren't causing me any issues. I am hoping Afib stays away for awhile but realize that ablation is considered a treatment, not a cure. The question that remains in my mind from a running perspective is whether I will be able to obtain the level of fitness before the ablation. Only time will tell. And finally, I have not started weightlifting again. Being very cautious there since in the months leading to the ablation, my weight training sessions almost always were followed by Afib episodes which started while I slept the night after a training session. I will start that again at some point but don't want to push my luck. Upper body exercises really put stress on the heart so taking my time there. Everyone is different and this is just what I have experienced. But hope this provides a good example of one person's experience....so far. Thanks again to all who provided me advice and encouragement.
So what happened? 2 days after the procedure, I went into Aflutter. I was just sitting around when it happened and I was SOOOO Discouraged even though this forum and others and my EP warned it was possible. Fellow afibbers here advised me to relax, after all, I was still in the so called blanking period. It went away in a couple of days and I was relieved!
Three weeks later, my runners brain getting the best of me, I decided I would start back into running gradually. I wanted to test things see how things felt. My curiosity was getting the best of me.
I ran a 3 mile trail run on a Monday and then repeated the same run a couple days later. It was doable. I felt OK but my heart felt like someone was squeezing it from the inside. I attributed it to the Flecainide (a drug I grew to hate). Then 2 days later, I went out for the same run and exactly 1 mile into it, I went into Aflutter. I was SOOOO Discouraged. OK I figured I would ride it out. After all, before the ablation, I had always converted on my own and never needed cardioversion. My EP agreed. Well days went by and I was still in Aflutter. When I was approaching the 2 week mark, I was SOOOO SOOOO Discouraged because I could not shake it on my own. My EP and I decided to cardiovert. It was my first ever. My thought was, MAN, I am WORSE OFF after the ablation because now I can't convert on my own any more and running now throws me into aflutter. So I went through the conversion the worst part was the lunch they served me after I did not eat it though.
OK, I decided to take a break from the running and allow for more recovery time. My plan: to start running 7 weeks later once I was off the Flec and well out of the blanking period. The Flec really made me feel weird, especially during the running I tried. In fact, I blame the Flec more for my post ablation aflutter than the procedure (but note that I am a drug hating left wing outdoorsy funloving person who doesn't like feeling chemically or socially suppressed :-).
So 14.5 weeks after my ablation, I went for a 1.5 mile run. I was SOOOO encouraged. No more squeezing heart feeling! I ran a 3 miler the next day and a 3 miler that day after that. Then a couple weeks later, going on about 17 weeks after the ablation, I went to 5 mile runs and then 6 mile runs. No issues. Happy. Happy. Happy. By 21 weeks after the ablation, I was doing up to 8 milers and stretched those to 10 milers over the next couple of weeks but limiting my mileage to around 30 a week. So my training strategy was run real short on recovery days and stretch out the long run and periodically combine short runs into an extra long run as I slowly got my endurance back. My heart really didn't feel any different than it did before the ablation.
From week 23 through week 26 after, I was unable to run at all because I was traveling in Asia in places I did not want to push my luck because of the pollution. BUT I think this was a good break for me. Give my body some time to repair from the wear and tear I had introduced it to. But got back into running at week 27 after the ablation and pushed it from 5 mile at the beginning of the week to a 10 mile run at the end of the week. I felt good. Not great and effortless but like my heart and body were able to handle it. Then over the next couple of weeks, I pushed my long runs to 11 miles, then 13 miles, and then 14 miles. I was I was SOOOO encouraged. Note that I am running slow and steady (8.5 to 11 minute miles depending on how flat or hilly the course is I am running and how energetic I fell but happy to be still running given my mid fifty-sh age.
So that brings me to the last 3 weeks. During that time, I have started to run hilly routes. As you might guess or know, running hilly routes is completely different from running flat routes. It puts way more cardio stress on you. I felt it was time to test that out. I was able to get up to a 13 mile run with some good hills yesterday. But wow, when I ran my first route with good hills over a week ago (about 5 miles), it was SOOO hard. But here's what I thought about. I've got scar tissue around where my pulmonary veins connect to my atrium to prevent the afib. Worst case, over time, I can get abnormal narrowing which can effect my performance and health.
So far, from what I can tell, I have acceptable wind doing the hills but can't tell yet whether my uphill performance will be effected. I have only done about 550 vertical gain on the steepest run I have done so only time will tell.
So 7.5 months after ablation, I have gotten through 2 disappointments but seem to be improving since. Once in awhile, I might feel a second or 2 of flutter but it goes away as fast as it comes. The things I used to do that would trigger afib (sudden posture changes, eating late etc) aren't causing me any issues. I am hoping Afib stays away for awhile but realize that ablation is considered a treatment, not a cure. The question that remains in my mind from a running perspective is whether I will be able to obtain the level of fitness before the ablation. Only time will tell. And finally, I have not started weightlifting again. Being very cautious there since in the months leading to the ablation, my weight training sessions almost always were followed by Afib episodes which started while I slept the night after a training session. I will start that again at some point but don't want to push my luck. Upper body exercises really put stress on the heart so taking my time there. Everyone is different and this is just what I have experienced. But hope this provides a good example of one person's experience....so far. Thanks again to all who provided me advice and encouragement.
Thanks for sharing some great information. As a long time runner and someone who is scheduled for an ablation next month I probably would have done the same thing as you and started running after 3 weeks although at a slower pace than I currently do.
Were you on Flec prior to your ablation?
opsyn
I LOVE reading about all the physical stuff everyone on this site has done! So my question is, am I the ONLY sort of fat out of shape guy who got afib? Or is there something about the personality of athletes that also makes you the ones who post?
Where are all the other slouches, who love their couches? I do seem to have one thing in common with many of you...I LOVE the movies! Cannot wait until the Big and Beautiful Bengie's Drive-In opens!
I hope you all can get back to climbing mountains, and I can get back to my little 2 mile jogs come spring! God bless us, every one!
Bill
I thought you were a military guy, didn't you need to be in shape for that?
Second dumbest thing I ever did was to run about a mile to Old Faithful in Yellowstone at age 58. It was over 7,000 feet in altitude. I never had a mile feel so tiring. I actually believe I might have has afib as I felt the way people describe their symptomatic afib. Driving back to Cheyenne and down to Estes Park, Colorado, I got a big headache and a bloody nose. I found out later those symptoms can be altitude sickness. very bad for afib (but I wasn't diagnosed at that time).
Probably the third dumest thing I ever did was get out of the car in Death Valley to walk to the lowest point on earth where they have the salt flats around Badwater Basin. It was over 110 degrees F. I stayed at this place, an oasis, called Furnace Creek. Believe it or not, there is a golf course there. All I did was sleep there though.
Those were the days.
petey
Bill, I am offended by your comment! In fact I have never met a hot fudge sundae or banana cream pie I did not like:-) And Fritos taste so good after a long run - have to replenish that salt - But I think that some of us chronic exercisers can be a little obsessive and so posting might be just our way of obsessing about running, swimming or lifting or whatever - and since the activity is so dependent on the heart operating properly, well it's a great topic for us.
ALWAYS wanted to do the canyon rafting trip Paul. That probably helped progress your afib along nicely - I hear that is a beautiful but crazy trip. I did an 8 man paddle raft trip down the Yampa once and the worst on that was class 4 - I got thrown out as did 4 others - it was like being in a washing machine with some rocks thrown in - whew! Good for adrenalin junkies. So can only imagine the chaos in the GC's rapids.
And Petey, wondering why you chose to do the dumbest things you think you ever did in some of the most beautiful places in the world? The adventurer inside got the best of you? Amazing how places like that draw you in - as the Sierra Club motto says - "Never Stop Exploring." It was probably your running fitness that got you out of the canyon without water - whew! Did you run over to Old Faithful in order to catch it erupting at a specific time or just because it is such a cool place to see on foot or perhaps evading the Grizzlie?
It is great and interesting reading about everyone's adventure experiences!
Good catch! Yes, I didn't want to have to wait another 90 minutes if it went off.
At Great Smoky Mountain, a female bear with two cubs charged me (made noise and it worked). Didn't see them at first.
Another fun time was after I got out of Yosemite, stopped to eat lunch in the mountains and a wolf was circling. I got out of there.
petey
Camino De Santiago someday. I doubt I could do the whole thing (30-35 days @ 10 miles/day). Road Scholar (the current version of Elder Hostel) has a 14 day trip with hotels along the way and only 4 hours walking per day for us wimps see: http://www.roadscholar.org/n/program/summary.aspx?dID=1-6OICXX
I was an avid skier and taught skiing for many years. I skied at high altitude, above 10,000 feet, often when on vacation. I still ski, but have so curtailed my activities due to a-fib episodes, which freak me out. (Although now I have learned to stay calm). I had an episode while x-c skiing this winter. After reading these posts I am wondering if the trigger for me could be the upper body effort required when climbing and skiing. I never knew that weight-training (which I did for years to stay strong) could cause inflammation triggering a-fib. I used to run with my dogs in competition, and that would occasionally trigger an episode. I no longer do that. I no longer windsurf but went over to paddleboard. I try to avoid anything that, in my mind, would potentially be a trigger. At one point, I just kind of "shut down", but know that was not a healthy choice! I still do that after episodes, but try to mentally stay strong. I also use an elliptical trainer each day unless engaging in alternate exercise. But, sometimes I am feeling like just an old blob!
Thank you to all for your posts, and good luck to those going for ablation. I continue to look forward to these discussions. I need some encouragement and as much information as you can offer! Cindy
Well, we are supposed to be in good shape, but I am a "desk" soldier...actually, 5 April is my first Physical Training test since I had that first afib attack in July of 2012. The Reserves was sort of afraid I would kick off, and so was I! But now it has been a full year since the ablation (2 January 2013), so they think it is time. I HOPE I can pass...for my age group, the requirement is - 18 pushups, 28 sit ups, and 2.5 mile walk in 37:30. I know, you, Petey and Snowshoe are going "HOLY cow, who could possibly pass that test!" Now, these are the requirements for the minimum score. You can look up the regular requirements on line under "APFT." I really do hope to pass this thing..Weigh in as well. my max is 226, and I am currently at 223...way too close! 6 months of doing that elliptical and recumbent bike has done NOTHING..the body is like "I don't care, fat boy!" We shall see...wish me luck!
Bill
Yet I wonder how many people on this site who have atrial fibrillation Were also vigorous exercisers at one time? It would make an interesting study. It does seem to be a recurring theme.
The vast majority middle-aged people I know don't talk about their exercise much in casual conversation.... So I assume most people don't exercise after about age 30. (I know that's not really a good thing, but it's American reality)
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Glad to hear it's going well though ... if a bit bumpy.
.... Im not going to tell you to stop.
(PS I like how you put things in all capitals for emphasis on how you're feeling ... It makes your post very readable)
There's someone over on the StopAFIB forum that is involved in a study on AFIB and Athletes I thought about signing up, but I don't really consider myself an athlete, just an exercise junkie.
I had put off the breathlessness as being the result of exercise induced asthma but now I can't tell. I recently thought I was having an afib episode and checked my pulse. My pulse was normal. I don't think it was afib. My longest afib episode, I thought was EIA. It wasn't. When I checked my pulse it was erratic.
I haven't had an ablation and based on the comments in this forum and other resources I know that I will be even more reluctant to consider it. The biggest adjustment I've had to make since the afib is cutting out caffeine. Even a small amount seems to trigger it.
I'm back to running good mileage, 35 -45 miles a week. This last Saturday I did a three mile time trial with some hills at a 7:07 pace. Sunday I did about 18.5 miles with 3,000 feet of climbing and other than coughing for a couple of hours afterwards, felt good.
As for the dumb stuff, I plan on doing more of it. I've got a 50 mile race April 5th and if that goes well, I'm hoping to get in my first rim to rim to rim. I just need to find a partner who is willing to do it with me. Saturday I'll be hiking about 10 miles in the Pinnacles National Park with my hiking group and Sunday I plan on doing the same run I did last Sunday except I hope to add on about 1.5 miles extra (20 miles) and about 700 feet of additional climbing.
Paul: I hope you do the Camino De Santiago and that the ablation works for you. Last summer I spent a week hiking the "Grande Tour du Mont Blanc". Wonderful experience that I'll never forget. I'm sure the Camino De Santiago, any version, would be unforgettable.
snowshoedude: Keep up the training. Maybe I'll see you on the trail.
Todd
Paul, I think you will be fine with the physical training test - I don't think the Army would take me now so you are one step ahead of me! If I had the chance, I'd serve in my dad's old outfit just for the pride of doing it.
Luv2Jog, interesting comment about the vast majority of middle aged people not wanting to talk about exercise. Perhaps exercise is more like a specialized hobby these days.
Todd, its great you have been able to continue running at such a level without having your afib interfere too much. When I ran while in afib, I definitely could feel it from a wind perspective but inclines were really tough. Hope the afib stays put. About 2.5 years ago, I was doing a lot of 18-22 milers during a 6 month period and my episodes stopped almost completely - maybe the distance "grooved" my beat, who knows!. But that is not what is supposed to happen - but again for me, I think the weights did me in. So do that 50 miler and just keep going! Wonder if you still do speed work on the track or road? The Mont Blanc route is actually on my list of must dos. And have heard of Paul's pilgrimage hike, it sounds great. So many trails, so little time.