I'm hearing what Y'all are all saying butt after I got sober the first week I experienced what Joline said..." I would think stoner paranoia would be harsh on anxiety. to each his own. " Up till that point reefer helped even out the rough edges myself and drinking created No thanks !!My opinion though is only based on the past though I want rule out A change in my mind given medical reasons or My Now senior citizen status noooooooooooooo:))))

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I might add when drinking I heard aspirin could eat your stomach away I did not take a aspirin until I dispelled those notions in my head as a sobarr person least My impressionable non confrontational personality!! Confronting yourself requires skill not......

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F F in my opinion alcoholics who turn to medical marijuana is a farce and a substitute. Disagree with me. I am short. I am terse. I am also abrupt. Like me or dislike me for what I am.

This is a forum about alcoholism. People want to get the ok to use another substances great. This forum is for alcoholism. I took the marijuana subject and applied in relation to alcoholism.

I don't care who smokes.

PS in judgemental. But how I view anybody's sobriety is my problem.

I have an immediate family member with an auto immune disorder who was in a lot of pain fro joint inflammation. He was prescribed some heavy duty pain meds to try to be at least somewhat functional. After a few weeks he was concerned about becoming addicted to the pain meds. He does not drink because that is a problem for him as well.

He sought a doctor to get a prescription for medical marijuana and used it for several months. During this time, he also helped out several cancer patients with their marijuana (putting it in a easier to consume form.)

After a few months the inflammation started to subside and he stopped using the marijuana. If he had stayed on the pain meds would he have been able to stop so easily?

As for me, if I am ever in the situation where I need the pain relief that medicine can provide, I will take it. I know that I am not cheating myself or fooling myself. i finally know how to take care of myself.

Jeff - I liked you for who you were. You unfriended me, just for the record.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to answer my question as to what you consider legitimate pain and also what pain relievers you do find it acceptable for alcoholics to use?

Not trying to antagonize you, I'm actually authentically curious. You say that marijuana is a no-go for addicts to treat pain, so is morphine or percocets acceptable in your eyes?

We can have discussions like adults, I'm quite sure. I have no issue with someone disagreeing with me (god knows I don't claim to be an expert on anything....lol) but just be respectful about it. If I am not, feel free to tell me as I try to be peaceable and respectful to all.

F F,

If a doctor recommends a specific treatment, whatever it is, that's the permission to use. I know many alcoholics who exist even after surgery on just aspirin. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. You go to 10 doctors who won't give you opiates, an 11th will. You can find any doctor to write you a MJ prescription here in Ca. I got one claiming "insomnia". It was a joke.

I'm not a doctor and my pain is different from anyone else's pain. I don't have a right to tell someone what is ok and not ok. In my mind sobriety is not abusing substances.

Again, I don't care what people smoke. But people claiming sobriety and having a marijuana card or medicine cabinet full of pills seems a little wrong. But again, if they are taking something under doctor'a orders, great.

As for unfriending you, I don't know recall why I did, but there must have been a reason at the time.

I got frustrated with this site because there were a lot of self-proclaimed non alcoholics working this forum. I'm here to help the sick, and those related to the sick looking for answers. I'm not here to debate what's right or wrong.

Hopefully we all have the same goal. As for the marijuana issue, I don't think it belongs here.

Thank you, Jeff. I get it a bit more as to where you're coming from. That's all I expect from this forum - respectful discussions based on opinion, fact, experience - whatever the case may be as long as we can all act adult and play nice:)

Marijuana use doesn't have a place as far as being defended as an excuse to cross-addict, however, we are living in a day and age where it is being considered as a legitimate treatment for pain and suffering. To me, that is relevant.

Peace....
Jen

I agree F F.

I wasn't going to reply but reading all the way through, I decided to.

I'll be 24 years sober Oct 16. AA I heard the term "marijuana maintenance program" to describe someone who smoked dope after stopping drinking, yet still saying they were sober.

I remember a member who had 30 yrs sober talk about taking Lortab because of a car crash. With all my wisdom (I was all of 5 yrs sober), I told him some people might conclude that he wasn't sober. After 2 years passed I had a weightlifting accident that collapsed 3 lumber discs and herniated 2 cervical discs. Only then did I see how wrong I'd been for judging this man.

I found him and was able to make amends, stating I had been WRONG, period. Before, I couldn't see the forest for the trees. Another saying I heard in AA (though certainly not original) was "let your conscience be your guide". Actually, drugs are an outside issue according to the Traditions of AA so I don't have to take issue with drugs.

Good time to remember that we are all on the same team here.

Hugs, Dianna

Well I did not read any of the replies because I know my own answer and reading those who feel differently than me would never in the world change that answer.....

I am a drug addict whose drug of choice was pot and I cannot ever see myself in a situation where I would smoke it ever again or ingest it thru my stomach either....for me I loved getting high and also used other drugs that I am not mentioning here...but pot by far caused me great emotional distress as it always seems to reignite the fuse of my schizophrenia and I got better with meds for that but also because I stopped smoking pot at that same moment in my historical journey thru life as I know it....

my history tells me if I smoke again it will be about one week and I will be dealing it to support my own use and probably smoking my profits plus my customers dope as well....just cannot run that risk of going to jail my friends! I will never again smoke pot if God is good and helps me to beat that addiction daily....

hey Warmest where you taking vacation to? I saw in email of your journal your going someplace without computer and will be mia for a while...hugs