Can I join you there?

The point is that this is an alcoholism board. Do you not think that the other board suggested might be more helpful? You can pm to your hearts content but this is about alcoholism. It's not callous - it's about helping people to find the right place to talk about that stuff.

DT this is your big bugbear and we will never agree on this stuff, but the whole point of my post on the original thread was in response not to her first post but to the one that wants this to be all things to all people.

If the members here want it to be so, then perhaps we should change it's name to something other than an alcoholism support group. Other places exist boards that deal with marijuana, so why come here?? It's senseless.

Dont,

I am an alcoholic. How the hell could I help a pot smoker? It would be an injustice to the pot smoker.

As Rick pointed out, there is a DS site specifically for marijuana.

Or, you could start another group for MJ. How about that?

how could you help a pot smoker? First, listen. Secondly what's the diff?

holyhell! Yep, like clockwork...every few months...

Tread-go over to the cocaine addiction board and tell them that you're an alcoholic and ask them for advice.

Betcha a million dollars, they direct you to the alcoholism board.

and I'm not saying to "coldly turn" anyone away, but go to the Arthritis support group and ask them how to treat a broken leg or the cancer board and ask for advice to get off cocaine.

Why you makin a big deal? Jeez!

Oh my goodness DT. Never mind.

There is a big difference between coldly turning someone away and redirecting someone to somewhere where they might get better help. The arrogance of people who think that having one problem makes them an authority on all problems is astounding.

One of the core elements of recovery is identification with a common problem which can lead to identification and hope in a common solution. It is really important.

I was a take it or leave it pot smoker, what self respecting addict whose life is being destroyed by pot is going to think I understand their plight and have a solution relevant to them?

I can honestly say that I didn't respond well to people whosaid I don't have a problem with alcohol but what you should do is ....!!

I'd point a hurting active addict to where there are others of like mind. I could give them strength, but no hope or experience. I could in fact say something that could harm them, since my experience with drugs is pretty darn small.
A clean addict may be another story - I can relate to one the things I did to take my mind off my dis-ease. Using the 12 steps as they are related.
This is a judgement call that each of us has to individually make according to our level of experience and what our spiritual sense tells us. As nobody can call us an alcoholic, the call to conscience is for each of us to answer...
Hug,
Dennis

Hve to send them to another town - we ain't got one here...

Nor do I judge others...

Oy

this is not a new thing. addicts go to AA meetings to not be around other addicts that will tell them the truth about themselves. in my community we call it " hiding out".

I remember going to an aa meeting and them throwing an addict out. I was dumb founded. I later understood why. first it was a closed AA meeting for alcholics only, and second they stood by their rules. ONLY ALCHOLICS. Now if you are an addict who attends AA speak the language, and learn to identify, alcholics get sober, and addicts get clean! real simple. Dr, Bob and the boys were fall down drunks, Bill Wilson and the Boys were hardcore addicts, herion at that. they understood the difference, and the bias they recieved when they tried to recover in the AA rooms. The alcholics could not identify with them, so they left.

addicts are imposing themselves into the AA rooms, and when they are redirected they become infuriated.this is because self centeredness is the core of their disease, and they do not understand their intrusion. Treatment facilities contribute to this illusion because they do not full understand. addicts in the rooms on NA are a harsh bunch of individuals, they put the truth on the line you are a menace to society and this is how you get better. Not tooo many people can handle that truth, but these are the same individuals that will steal your purse and help you look for it to get he next one.

Take your ass to the place that can help you , and stop reaking havoc on individuals that do not understand you putting a spike in your arm, or pulling on a pipe to obtain an euphoric feeling.

Just some thoughts

Connecticut

All righty then. So... by following this line of thought we should also ban any use or reference to AA or any of it's literature. We should also ban reference to SMART, Rational Recovery, or any program that says they have a way to get sober. Since this is a group dealing with alcoholism we should only be talking about drinking. We should NOT talk about life issues. Things that happen in life that add to stress levels, anxiety and depression. We shouldn't talk about the use of other drugs of abuse because they can and do lead back to active drinking let alone block that search for spirituality. Maybe should just close this to all but the "real" alcoholic. Bingers and heavy drinkers. Your excused from further participation as you really don't have a problem. Just because your spouse is threatening to leave, your boss is pissed because you have a hangover,

Why don't we post a pretest and application that way we can screen out those that don't pass the test. I was going to stay out of this. I can't. I mentioned the other day to a friend how pissed I was at the namby pamby whiners but I have to tell you the hard core make me just as angry. Please note I am not angry for myself and what i want. I am angry because of the hurt this type of attitude can and does inflict on the newcomer. I am so grateful that the AAers I knew and know allowed me to weigh out the information and make an informed decision.

Is there a full moon coming, or is this just major character defects going to the extreme like we tend to do at times??