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Dracona
I dont know what to do about my family. it is not feasible for me to move right now, and cutting the toxic people out of my life would mean having to cut other ones that i would still like to keep in contact with. my main concern is my sister. she is 16... SIXTEEN. My mother is a full blown N. its always a guess with her to who she is going to be from one day to the next, and i keep minimal contact if at all possible. she is very abusive and toxic... to animals and people alike. i have seen her practically break a rabbits neck, threatening to kill it, in front of my daughter and I, all because it had a hairball she was trying to cut off and it wouldnt sit still. yelling at it like it understood. then 5 minutes later go back to asking if we want anything for dinner. I have cut contact with her a few times, and this time the problem isnt her... i let my daughter go stay the night with her and my sister, and was suposed to pick her up in the morning from my sisters doc appt. around 10.30. she calls me at ten, and im only 15 minutes away, being very rude about how she was there a half hour ago waiting. i said there was never a definite time given, and that i was on my way. she was rude again, so i told her there was no reason for her to talk to me in such a way, and she continued, so i hung up, without even getting the directions. i called back and said ok, are you done? can you talk civilly now? she started in again. so again i hung up. i called my other sister to get directions. while picking my daughter up, she continued to be rude to me, it never occured to her that she could have CALLED me to say she was on her way and needed her picked up at a specific time, OR that she could have driven the extra ten minutes to my house and dropped her off if she was so incredibly early. I asked her how was it that she became to be so Narcissistic that she did not consider others feelings when talking to them. her reply was that i was a nasty person, that no one liked me, and no one ever did. just ask and they will tell. i said, and maybe i shouldnt have, but ill give the back story in a minute, that maybe when she got pregnant at an early age maybe she would grow up some and see the world differently, she said at least she would be a better mom than me, and more responsible.
this is not the first time she has said such things. one time she has called me stupid when i was asking for directions, and anytime i confront her about her attitude its because im bitchy, or moody, or nasty.
The back story behind her is, she is 16... has a live in boyfriend, that my dad, and my mom, support. because of this, she thinks she is entitled to act like an adult. she goes to running start, and does not consider herself a high school student anymore. she answers to no one. she manipulates everyone. when i was pregnant and sick, she is the one who got me kicked out of the house, by telling our dad, my step dad, that i said she was fat, where in truth i said she didnt need any more snacks because i had just bought alot of groceries last weekend and everything snackwise was gone already. im angry about this... i dont want her near my daughter . but my daughter adores her. so now what?
i am so incredibly tired of people disrespecting me. i have my faults, and i may not always be the most pleasant person to be around... but where does a 16 year old girl, get to tell me off, and me be in the wrong for it? ugh, i love washington, but i want to move, far away from ALL OF THEM, except my other sister. she at least, can be understanding and kind and apologize if she is wrong. and i know this is my moms fault. for the years of talking shit about me, telling them all my problems, and saying if they didnt do this then they would end up like me. like my life is such a piece of shit. ugh.
im so tired of the disrespect. I am a person, with feelings, with values. i dont deserve to be spoken to like that, EVER.
and here in my mind reading this, circles the thoughts, well, i have been snappy before too.... trying to justify their actions. if i am snappy at my mother, its because of YEARS of pent up anger and frustration because she would NEVER acknowledge what she did to me... and the nearly 30 years of put downs. so yes, once in a while im having a bad day, and the last thing i want to hear is her fucking condescending tone. my fault for picking up. im not proud of my lack of control in this area. but holy shit... now my little sister? she has always gone back and forth from being manipulative, but i dont think i can ever look at her again the same way after the other day. she is just not a good person... but she has an awesome front. and as a truth seeker, and seeing her warped view of the world... it both saddens and angers me, that she is the one that will get the support and everything she wants in life, by manipulating and being conniving. im even worried, that when she meets the part of the family that i have met recently, that she will take them away from me too. they are awesome and i never felt like i belonged to a family til i met them. my mom was adopted. i never knew you could be so like people and never had met them. ok. i think im done venting. but i dont know what to do. i know she will throw my daughter in my face, saying i am making her suffer because im a bitch.
i just keep saying, my daughter needs no one but me.... im so worried im not a good mom as it is, why did she have to go there?
this is not the first time she has said such things. one time she has called me stupid when i was asking for directions, and anytime i confront her about her attitude its because im bitchy, or moody, or nasty.
The back story behind her is, she is 16... has a live in boyfriend, that my dad, and my mom, support. because of this, she thinks she is entitled to act like an adult. she goes to running start, and does not consider herself a high school student anymore. she answers to no one. she manipulates everyone. when i was pregnant and sick, she is the one who got me kicked out of the house, by telling our dad, my step dad, that i said she was fat, where in truth i said she didnt need any more snacks because i had just bought alot of groceries last weekend and everything snackwise was gone already. im angry about this... i dont want her near my daughter . but my daughter adores her. so now what?
i am so incredibly tired of people disrespecting me. i have my faults, and i may not always be the most pleasant person to be around... but where does a 16 year old girl, get to tell me off, and me be in the wrong for it? ugh, i love washington, but i want to move, far away from ALL OF THEM, except my other sister. she at least, can be understanding and kind and apologize if she is wrong. and i know this is my moms fault. for the years of talking shit about me, telling them all my problems, and saying if they didnt do this then they would end up like me. like my life is such a piece of shit. ugh.
im so tired of the disrespect. I am a person, with feelings, with values. i dont deserve to be spoken to like that, EVER.
and here in my mind reading this, circles the thoughts, well, i have been snappy before too.... trying to justify their actions. if i am snappy at my mother, its because of YEARS of pent up anger and frustration because she would NEVER acknowledge what she did to me... and the nearly 30 years of put downs. so yes, once in a while im having a bad day, and the last thing i want to hear is her fucking condescending tone. my fault for picking up. im not proud of my lack of control in this area. but holy shit... now my little sister? she has always gone back and forth from being manipulative, but i dont think i can ever look at her again the same way after the other day. she is just not a good person... but she has an awesome front. and as a truth seeker, and seeing her warped view of the world... it both saddens and angers me, that she is the one that will get the support and everything she wants in life, by manipulating and being conniving. im even worried, that when she meets the part of the family that i have met recently, that she will take them away from me too. they are awesome and i never felt like i belonged to a family til i met them. my mom was adopted. i never knew you could be so like people and never had met them. ok. i think im done venting. but i dont know what to do. i know she will throw my daughter in my face, saying i am making her suffer because im a bitch.
i just keep saying, my daughter needs no one but me.... im so worried im not a good mom as it is, why did she have to go there?
How can be exposed to this level of toxic be any good for any child?
If you don't want to cut off contact with her completely, then have a hallmark relationship where maybe you stop by for 2 hours at holidays. Never leave your daughter alone with her. I know it must be difficult as a single mom you need a break but it will have to come from a healthier friend. Austin for example would be a much better choice.
And your sister? Just write her off completely. She got you thrown out of a house when you were pregnant??? What else do you need to know. She has decided to reincarnate as your mother and perhaps an exagerated version of her.
Don't forget this Dracona:
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:
In the book Narcissistic Family by the Pressman's page 86,
Responsibility and Control. Adults raised in narcissistic families tend to take responsibility for things they do not control. Assuming responsibility for something without being in control of it is inviting craziness; or, at least, inviting failure, self loathing, and feelings of worthlessness.
I was just very appalled at my sister the other day, and hurt by it. you are right. she is an exaggerated version of my mother, but i think she is way far worse. she knows what to say, what to do.... even how to look at someone and use her body language to get a reaction out of them. she will act body language wise like she is pissed off at you, when you confront her about whats wrong, she will turn it on you, making it seem like you imagined things, and if you stick to asking her what the problem is, she says that you are probably just moody or irritable and there really is nothing wrong. and these types of actions ignite alot of protective anger in me. and often leaves me wondering what happened, i know what i saw...i know what i heard, so why is everyone catering to her? i even told her she was narcissistic, and she had to go ask my step mom the definition... apparently she didnt like the definition. she is now in the process of trying to eliminate me from my family further. fine. whatever. not like they were ever a real family anyway. they never call or come by unless they want something. i moved out 15 years ago... and not once in all those years, have they come to visit me just because, or called, or had a dinner with me despite of invites. always busy, i always owe them money. of course my N mom and N sister have. and they are the only ones. gotta keep their supply going right? I do think i want to move.
"Responsibility and Control. Adults raised in narcissistic families tend to take responsibility for things they do not control. Assuming responsibility for something without being in control of it is inviting craziness; or, at least, inviting failure, self loathing, and feelings of worthlessness. "
This reminds me of ME completely and just wrote about this very thing in another post. I take on stuff for everything and everyone no matter what they have done, ultimately I always end up blaming myself and project my worst fears and feelings of myself into the situation to allow them a free pass. Almost the complete opposite that a N does. As I mentioned in the other post, even my NH knows this about me because he has thrown it at me in a conversation after he left. I was talking to him about his leaving me and me not being worthy and he actually told me I WAS worthy and that I "always do that" and put it on myself. He told me I deserved to be happy and that I should find someone else and sorry he caused me so much pain.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me sometimes question his narcissism. Would a N say such things? It is why he has me so confused sometimes when we speak. Which hasn't happened now for over 3 weeks so... but he always has a way of leaving a door open when we do., Of course he doesn't act on that door in any way so his actions speak louder then words. Others have their N's fixated on them or calling even if they already have other girlfirends in their lives or new supplies. Not mine. Not even filed for divorce even and nothing. Going to take a while I think for this very fact to not bother me. I hope that I will get there.... but it hasn't happened yet.
Ladeesse, sometimes they turn our weaknesses on us in a way that seems like it is all us, and makes us feel pathetic, like wow, this is in my head, i do put this all on me, who would want that? an N can fake anything a normal person would do. a normal person would not be sorry that they cant make you happy, and use you as an excuse to leave, but tell you that they themselves are not happy, and how they truly feel about the situation. either way, sometimes things just dont work out. My baby's Bio dad, up and left, would call me with his higher ups listening in saying now remember i told you a long time ago that it was over, and you getting pregnant does not change this, it was wrong of you to go out and get pregnant and say it was mine.... he refused to talk to me. for months. he was just GONE. i was sick, unable to work, and ALONE. then after a few months he calls me up out of the blue, sending me dirty texts. i met with him, thinking that maybe we could start talking at least.... nope. he only wanted one thing. and it was only that once. what makes me laugh is i now know he was cheating on the girlfriend he left me for suposedly. and well, he has come around very few times since. and everytime he has been too busy to see his daughter. being in the navy. but he works a second job delivering pizzas. even to my door, and will not see her unless he has to to save face with his military command or parents. but when people meet him he is the nicest guy. he always leaves a door open as well, ill call you. and never does. not that i care anymore, hell, i dont want to know he exists... but there was a time when i hoped he would.
its a thin line between what a N is and isnt at times, and in the end it doesnt really matter, what matters is, you are unhappy, you have been discarded, and your life and self affirmation cannot be defined by him. and we must, put our big girl panties on, and trudge along, regardless of who or what he was to us.
hugs.