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gtgeo
I learned a long time ago: Don't ask the question if you aren't ready to hear the answer.
Regardless of where the blame fell, I appreciate all the answers I received to my prior post. I also gained more respect for this online community. If ever there was a chance for online communication to go awry, it could be here with all of us on our individual roller-coasters. I saw that this site is kindly monitored by those further along who give of their time to do so. I find that extraordinary. Thank you.
My take-aways from having asked my question are these:
I am still my son's mother same as when he was young. What I do sends a message and that message can be good or it can be bad. I asked my question because the message I want him to recieve is that I DO love him - unconditonally. Some responses, though hard to read, helped me to see that I must look past the condtions that are in place if he is to believe this. I cannot change any of them, nor is it any of my business to. I can only change me. I am deeply aware that this is a very critical moment. I am seeking guidance from every source I can lay my hands on to quell what has happened, not add more hurt.
One reply spoke of my having lost my confidant. I have. My husband was the one to whom I could always turn. He didn't always have answers but he had the kindest, strongest arms to wrap me up in. He held me so completely that once I was snuggled in there, it didn't matter anymore what the problem had been. Now I have no family whatsoever in the area. None. Do I therefore carry this alone and go about business as usual? Prior to my husband's death, my friends played a different role in my life. I had little need then to share much about intimate issues with them because those remained between him and myself. I am blessed with many friends. I turn to them. I don't consider sharing my grief as gossiping and I did find the use of that word in regard to my situation offensive. Before I brought this issue to this community, I had already spoken with the friend who went public with my private business. Her error, not mine. I appreciate the reminders I received that I keep in mind how hurt my son and daughter-in-law have been by reading those words. Before I ever shared any of this with my friend, I had already been talking with my son as the months were going by, as both of us were trying to navigate our grief - he trying to balance wanting to take good care of his own family and ours - and me trying to balance remaining mindful of this and weighing out what my real needs were before making a request of his time. We both lost our balance and unfortunately, the thing tipped over. Sometimes though a thing has to fall completely apart before it can be rebuilt stronger.
I completely agree that I and my son come together and talk. That is my hope. I am being honest that this will only happen if his wife allows it. My son and I met together one time before, a long while back when my husband was first receiving treatment. We spent a couple of hours together talking about what we were facing and even in the face of that, we both agreed our time together had been so good. We had held each other, cried some, laughed some and had parted feeling stronger. A while later my son had shared with my husband and I that he and his wife fought for a couple of days after because she felt she should have been included. Maybe she should have been. I can't turn that clock back. Maybe it will not be possible now for my son and I to talk together. If so, I must accept that. Before I even pose the question, however, I need to be fully ready able to hear the answer.
Regardless of where the blame fell, I appreciate all the answers I received to my prior post. I also gained more respect for this online community. If ever there was a chance for online communication to go awry, it could be here with all of us on our individual roller-coasters. I saw that this site is kindly monitored by those further along who give of their time to do so. I find that extraordinary. Thank you.
My take-aways from having asked my question are these:
I am still my son's mother same as when he was young. What I do sends a message and that message can be good or it can be bad. I asked my question because the message I want him to recieve is that I DO love him - unconditonally. Some responses, though hard to read, helped me to see that I must look past the condtions that are in place if he is to believe this. I cannot change any of them, nor is it any of my business to. I can only change me. I am deeply aware that this is a very critical moment. I am seeking guidance from every source I can lay my hands on to quell what has happened, not add more hurt.
One reply spoke of my having lost my confidant. I have. My husband was the one to whom I could always turn. He didn't always have answers but he had the kindest, strongest arms to wrap me up in. He held me so completely that once I was snuggled in there, it didn't matter anymore what the problem had been. Now I have no family whatsoever in the area. None. Do I therefore carry this alone and go about business as usual? Prior to my husband's death, my friends played a different role in my life. I had little need then to share much about intimate issues with them because those remained between him and myself. I am blessed with many friends. I turn to them. I don't consider sharing my grief as gossiping and I did find the use of that word in regard to my situation offensive. Before I brought this issue to this community, I had already spoken with the friend who went public with my private business. Her error, not mine. I appreciate the reminders I received that I keep in mind how hurt my son and daughter-in-law have been by reading those words. Before I ever shared any of this with my friend, I had already been talking with my son as the months were going by, as both of us were trying to navigate our grief - he trying to balance wanting to take good care of his own family and ours - and me trying to balance remaining mindful of this and weighing out what my real needs were before making a request of his time. We both lost our balance and unfortunately, the thing tipped over. Sometimes though a thing has to fall completely apart before it can be rebuilt stronger.
I completely agree that I and my son come together and talk. That is my hope. I am being honest that this will only happen if his wife allows it. My son and I met together one time before, a long while back when my husband was first receiving treatment. We spent a couple of hours together talking about what we were facing and even in the face of that, we both agreed our time together had been so good. We had held each other, cried some, laughed some and had parted feeling stronger. A while later my son had shared with my husband and I that he and his wife fought for a couple of days after because she felt she should have been included. Maybe she should have been. I can't turn that clock back. Maybe it will not be possible now for my son and I to talk together. If so, I must accept that. Before I even pose the question, however, I need to be fully ready able to hear the answer.
I feel for you in this situation and I hope you can repair your relationship. There is nothing easy about grief or rebuilding your life without your spouse or partner.
Nessie from KY
Sorry I guess I just needed to vent.
Hugs, Sandi
I, too, was a daughter in law once upon a time and my husband and his mother were extremely close. I knew when to step back and leave them alone, after all she was his mother and deserved the respect I gave her......by the same token I expected her to respect me too. Sometimes my Morey put his mother before me and I knew what I meant to him and just let it happen. I knew I would be the one to share his bed and his heart and told him to take as much time as he needed to be with his mom. By doing this I got more from both of them in the end!
I was a very mature young wife, I knew where I stood in his heart and although he devoted a lot of his attention to his mom, I knew I was his lady.
It was the old, "you win more bees with honey than you do with vinegar" thing!!!!
I'm a mother of a son and sometimes I want to kick my DIL to the curb but I don't. I know my son loves me and would be "there" for me if I made a phone call, he was when Morey was ill and when Morey passed.
My son and I just took a one week cruise together, while his wife stayed home with the kids. I know she didn't like it, I invited her and the children to come and tour the ship and have a formal lunch with me onboard, before we left, she said she had a good time. My son and I needed the time together and he was very generous to give it to me. She and I haven't spoken since......too bad! She'll get over it, or not!!!!
As a woman playing so many roles in life can be challenging......go, do something with your many friends, try to enjoy life again and don't wait for the kids to include you or to be solicitous [it may or may not happen!] I gave my children life.....I want them to live it and let me live mine!
Warmly,
Roz
Sometimes and some people need to share their experiences, whether it be about ourselves, our children or friends with others. I don't think gtgeo's friend was using good judgment when she took the conversation further and I certainly don't think that gtgeo meant to hurt her DIL or her son.
As was mentioned gtgeo's son is not very communicative without his wife and in this regard she MUST respect him.
Love never expressed to our children is love lost. Express your love and the meaning of your heart and if he and his wife can't accept it. So be it!
Live your life and go forward, you have enough on your plate right now just dealing with the death of your mate. Don't be bullied by anyone......family and cyberfriend included.
Roz
The community has tried to give you a balanced view on a very emotional issue. It is hard sometimes because our nature is to compare it to our own experiences. This can bring up all sorts of things - some good and some not so good. I prefaced my comments by stating I would try to step back from the emotional response and just give you my opinion as an observer. I am sorry if I put it badly and you were hurt. That was not my intention.
Grief makes everyone a little crazy, and makes everyone feel rather raw. We talk about the stages of grief here, but we often forget those around us are going through it, too. That is part of the reason I mentioned my discussion with my sons. They have been to hell and back, too, not just me, albeit in a very different way.
I hope you are able to find a way to discuss this all with your son and his wife. I agree with Terri's comments, too. Human beings, especially those of us who are bereaved, need to express ourselves to someone, and we have to be careful in our choices for who that someone is. For me, that meant a counselor and nightly conversations (one-sided) with my dead husband, as I knew those were the only places it was safe to express some things. Anything else I wrote in a private journal.
My sons and I talked and talked and talked some more, and we still do. They were very close to their Dad. Their grief - in all its stages - was intense. It wasn't easy. But it was worth it to not give up. We are now very close and have a much better understanding of each other and each other's limits. One of the rare silver linings to our terribly dark grief cloud....
I hope you find a way to mend your family, and I will keep you and your family in my prayers.
Love and Hugs,
Martha
I only have one child and his treatment of me since his fathers death has been the hardest thing I've ever had to deal,with in my life. I assumed that he would support me.....that we would support each other. The opposite has been true.
I'm remarried now, and that has only complicated the issue. I'll spare you the details, but the situation eventually led my new husband and I to move to Florida full time this fall......it's just easier not having to deal with the situation on a daily basis.
It's to bad that your friend posted something on Facebbok......she owes you an apology. But you shouldn't feel bad about talking about a situation that is/was causing you pain. What are you supposed to do, swallow the hurt? Allow it to fester and grow? You have to be able to express what's in your heart......just be careful who you talk to!
If you look through my old posts, you'll find plenty of posts complaining about my son and his wife. Is that gossiping about them? I don't think so. They were a cry for support and understanding.
Should you apologize to your DIL and son? Yeah, I think you should......but I would apologize for your private business being posted Pam over Facebook, not for how you feel. Perhaps you could use this as an opportunity to have a talk about how you feel,about their treatment of you.
I finally had a confrontation with my son about a year ago... It was an UGLY shouting match that went on for an hour, but a lot of hurt and pain from both sides got aired.
Things have gotten a little better, but our relationship will just never be what it used to be. This makes me very sad, but I've learned to live with it and to let it go.
God bless.