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I'm doing some research for a book I'm writing and came across Eric Alterman's "Why We're Liberals: A Political Handbook for Post-Bush America." Alterman is a liberal apologist and by that I don't mean that he apologizes for liberal belief. I mean he defends liberal belief.
Chapter sixteen is titled "Why do Liberals Hate Religion?" which agrees with the whole book whose chapters are tailored to answer questions that are asked of liberals.The very fact he has to answer a question like this is testament to the fact the question must have been answered. So let's see how he answers it.
Alterman early in the chapter cites Franklin Roosevelt as saying "Almighty God has . . . given our people stout hearts and strong arms with which to strike mighty blows for freedom and truth." During World War II, FDR's war department gave armed forces Bibles with messages to them from him suggesting they read the Bible. FDR's successor Harry Truman said "We believe that all men are created equal because they are created in the image of God." There are other quotations from around that time given by him, but what is interesting is there are no contemporary ones. Where are the religious invocations from Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and so forth to match those of Roosevelt? The only conclusion we can glean from Alterman is that none are to be found because if they were, they would be found in plenty in his book.
Instead, Alterman writes as if desperately looking for a liberal to step up to the plate to show some moral backbone where none exists. Where, for instance (he asks) is the moral outrage when the media exploits overly-sexualized teens who gain further stardom for their noxious behavior? Apparently there's not enough of this either.
Alterman does probably give away the store when admitting the advantage conservatives have over liberals is a "tradition" which generally implies a body of truths inherent in the Judeo-Christian tradition which tend to rule the social sphere. This tradition is exactly what liberals, as a whole, rebel against and there is really no way to bridge the gap between this rebellion and the tradition that conservatives appeal to. They may try as Obama has done recently when appealing to the Biblical truth of requiring much to be offered by those to whom much has been given, but in general they are against such tradition.
For supplement, I cite David Barash, author of "The L Word" which is a defense of liberalism. Barash says “liberals . . . believe that government should protect rights, not promote private virtue. They are not at all sure that they received the one revealed truth, like Moses returning from the mountain . . . moralists and religious fundamentalists have no such doubts: They are right and everyone else is wrong. Where liberals fear to tread, they rush in with the certainty of the True Believer.” so this leaves liberals as a political class that is constantly in rebellion against this tradition.
One of the places where liberals can use their own "moral vocabulary" is in economic issues. It is objectionable, he says, to give tax cuts to the rich while cutting social programs for the poor and concerns about universal health care can be cast in the form of moral arguments. That it is immoral to reduce social programs in lieu of enhancing the rich I agree, but there are numerous other truths in the Judeo-Christian tradition than just economic ones. The Bible, for instance, is a story of mankind's salvation through God's interaction with members of the Jewish state over thousands of years. If liberals want to appear beholden to "tradition" and not hateful of religion - as the title of this chapter suggests - they must do more than mouth a few words about the morality of economic injustices. They must actually embrace some of the more prominent religious tenets.
The problem is that once you divorce yourself from the religion that undergirds the moral vocabulary, the moral vocabulary is bound to go out the window as well. If it is true, as Harry Truman suggests, that all men are created equal, then it is probably necessary for us treat others that way. If we no longer believe God created all men equally, then we might start to treat others differently.
If you wanted to summarize Alterman's chapter, you could say that liberals, today, are incapable of appealing to religious tradition or showing moral outrage over things they should. However, if there is one thing they can get behind is the morality of taking money from one group of people to give to the other to enhance their own power.
Chapter sixteen is titled "Why do Liberals Hate Religion?" which agrees with the whole book whose chapters are tailored to answer questions that are asked of liberals.The very fact he has to answer a question like this is testament to the fact the question must have been answered. So let's see how he answers it.
Alterman early in the chapter cites Franklin Roosevelt as saying "Almighty God has . . . given our people stout hearts and strong arms with which to strike mighty blows for freedom and truth." During World War II, FDR's war department gave armed forces Bibles with messages to them from him suggesting they read the Bible. FDR's successor Harry Truman said "We believe that all men are created equal because they are created in the image of God." There are other quotations from around that time given by him, but what is interesting is there are no contemporary ones. Where are the religious invocations from Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and so forth to match those of Roosevelt? The only conclusion we can glean from Alterman is that none are to be found because if they were, they would be found in plenty in his book.
Instead, Alterman writes as if desperately looking for a liberal to step up to the plate to show some moral backbone where none exists. Where, for instance (he asks) is the moral outrage when the media exploits overly-sexualized teens who gain further stardom for their noxious behavior? Apparently there's not enough of this either.
Alterman does probably give away the store when admitting the advantage conservatives have over liberals is a "tradition" which generally implies a body of truths inherent in the Judeo-Christian tradition which tend to rule the social sphere. This tradition is exactly what liberals, as a whole, rebel against and there is really no way to bridge the gap between this rebellion and the tradition that conservatives appeal to. They may try as Obama has done recently when appealing to the Biblical truth of requiring much to be offered by those to whom much has been given, but in general they are against such tradition.
For supplement, I cite David Barash, author of "The L Word" which is a defense of liberalism. Barash says “liberals . . . believe that government should protect rights, not promote private virtue. They are not at all sure that they received the one revealed truth, like Moses returning from the mountain . . . moralists and religious fundamentalists have no such doubts: They are right and everyone else is wrong. Where liberals fear to tread, they rush in with the certainty of the True Believer.” so this leaves liberals as a political class that is constantly in rebellion against this tradition.
One of the places where liberals can use their own "moral vocabulary" is in economic issues. It is objectionable, he says, to give tax cuts to the rich while cutting social programs for the poor and concerns about universal health care can be cast in the form of moral arguments. That it is immoral to reduce social programs in lieu of enhancing the rich I agree, but there are numerous other truths in the Judeo-Christian tradition than just economic ones. The Bible, for instance, is a story of mankind's salvation through God's interaction with members of the Jewish state over thousands of years. If liberals want to appear beholden to "tradition" and not hateful of religion - as the title of this chapter suggests - they must do more than mouth a few words about the morality of economic injustices. They must actually embrace some of the more prominent religious tenets.
The problem is that once you divorce yourself from the religion that undergirds the moral vocabulary, the moral vocabulary is bound to go out the window as well. If it is true, as Harry Truman suggests, that all men are created equal, then it is probably necessary for us treat others that way. If we no longer believe God created all men equally, then we might start to treat others differently.
If you wanted to summarize Alterman's chapter, you could say that liberals, today, are incapable of appealing to religious tradition or showing moral outrage over things they should. However, if there is one thing they can get behind is the morality of taking money from one group of people to give to the other to enhance their own power.
http://rightoffacliff.com/2012/01/16/how-would-republicans-treat-jesus/
And keep America in our prays
One could argue that liberals could do with a bit of both. LOL
Just my two cents, but I look for the good in people. I think ALL points of view come from experiences and someone's rational way of coping (although sometimes those ways are vastly dysfunctional).
I tell my kids, that if you want to look for evil and reasons to hate in this world.....they'll find it. There's enough failings in both their father and me to go through life feeling like they got an aweful break. And enough injustice in this world to KNOW that much isn't fair.
BUT, there's also an incredible amount of good and love in this world too. No matter where you go, or what horrible circumstances, from the Holocaust, to Wall Street, to their schoolyard, there are constant examples of goodness IF you're looking for them.
Take a highly controversial example: Prayer in Schools
Now some might say that athiests hate religiion by objecting.
And others may say that Religion hates athiests by wishing for it.
Both points of view, although opposites are essentially the same. Accusatory. And by seeing hate, I believe that both points of view foster the moral outrage at dishing hate back out....essentially using the juvinile explaination....that the "other guy started it".
Myself, I prefer to see both sides as coming from a point of view of Caring and Loving their children and wishing to pass on their Own beliefs and hopes for a good future to them.
Hate will probably always be part of human failings, but I can chose or not to participate.
If you're looking for some liberal to look at religion with "extreme disgust" .....you'll find it. (go look at the other thread about those guys marching....ugg)
And if you're looking for the vast majority to be religious themselves, or respectful......you'll find it to.
This world has enough good and bad that you'll find whatever you wish to look for.
Extremist retoric appeals to the indignation within us. Makes us feel like our views are correct, and anyone not with us is mistaken, or on the wrong path (true for Both sides of all issues). Both sides sound condisending. Both sides usually have valid points. And both sides can find hate filled racist people. ANY article that starts with Liberals or Concervatives think in some particular way......is preaching the same story.
Define...."liberal"....