ya I'm not having kids either. cuz if I had a kid that even thought about doing something fucked up, you bet your ass I would beat that kid! I'd take em to 3rd world countries and show them what the rest of the world is like so they snap out of that stupid reckless behavior! i'll take those damn stupid parents to those countries too to open their damn eyes!!

Reminds me of a sons that came out last summer in Montreal, Quebec.
Of course it's in french, but the guy sings; kids used to come in late,
now they don't come in at all... and this is so true.

Fuck I remember I was bloody 17 and my best friend in front could go anywhere, and she was younger than I, and she had permission to go wherever.

Definately a true statement there Bluesun, great post.

An undiciplined kid can be a nightmare but I feel for them that there parents are not raising them properly. That is were it starts. I think sparing the rod causes problems. These days you can't even give the child a mean look or it is abuse. The children work this messed up system to their advantage. I also don't get how the parent cannot be embarrased of their childs behavoir and how it reflects on them. Some people just shouldn't have children. It is a big responsablility.

yesterday, I was pulling in the parking lot outside about to back into my parking stall, and I look behind and there are a bunch of kids playing in the parking stalls and in other areas that cars go. They were just standing around and sitting around, some had toy guns others just socializing. I took notice that 3 of them were in my parking stall, so I put it in reverse and said "fuck it!" they should know better than to be playing in an area that cars go and if they get ran over I will fucking laugh at both them and their stupid parents!! LOL! I started backing in to them slowly hoping that maybe i would run over their toys or even them! i guess the parent don't teach common sense to them either. Or maybe the parents themselves don't have any fuckin common sense! IDIOTS!!

lol....I love groups like this! I am a member of Open Minds too....I hope ya'll are as open minded and don't criticize what one says. I just love conversations on all levels....takes my mind off of my sufferings!

Oh gosh! This is a great topic. And one that I have gotten into many arguments with people about. I have 4 kids. I am married, middle class and stay at home. My husband and I made that choice. I get really sick and tired when people, especially other mothers that work, say to me "oh, you are so lucky you get to stay at home". It is not 'luck'....it is a 'choice'. I had these kids....I am going to raise these kids. Not some institutional daycare...but me. And it is a sacrifice. My family doesn't live in the biggest, nicest home. We don't drive new cars. In fact, we need new cars! But can't afford it at this time. My husband has had to have 2 jobs sometimes just to make ends meet. My husband and I are very traditional in our roles.

I do see unruly kids, misguided teenagers. People wonder why. When both parents work....and many times the average work week is 50-60 hours as opposed to just 40. In the 'big scheme of things' how many hours are the parents really spending with their kids. It isn't much. Parents come home from work, are tired, racing around getting dinner ready, hauling the kids to some activity/sport, coming home then the kids go to bed or the kids are staying up until all hours of the nite finishing homework.

Don't give up not wanting to have kids Blue.....they really are a blessing. Yes, sometimes they can unnerve us parents...but what joy they can bring!

I have pretty well-behaved kids. Oh yes, they do have their moments...but they are kids. I am often asked how my kids got to be so well behaved. I have a 17 yr old son...never a problem with drugs, alcohol or sex. At least none that I know of anyway. But I am pretty confident there isn't that problem.

I think kids too are stressed....and many turn to drugs, alcohol and sex for relief. Parents place too high of expectations on their kids.....they want "overachievers" because the parents themselves are overacheivers. There is a lot of pressure put on kids to be the best.....be the best in sports, school, etc. Have any of you been to a little league game or a youth basketball game and witnessed some of the parents yelling at their kids? I have. It is sad and angers me so much.

As a mom I am just trying to nurture my kids. See their strengths and nurture those. It is a lot of work. But worth the effort.

Even though this "rant" is about unruly kids....we do have to keep in mind that there are lots of great kids/teens out there doing really good things too. Which I know you all realize.....but mostly we all see or hear the bad stuff.

well maybe some of them are over achievers but i think todays problems has a lot to do with the fact that you can't put your foot down with your kids with out someone arresting you for some form of abuse. my younger bro and i were beaten as kids and we know right from wrong, have good discipline, and are NOT screwed up in the head!

I will never have kids! It is a scary world that just gets scarier! I have a brother and three younger sisters who have fallen into the "bad kid" category.I can't handle it! I have enough stress without worrying about a kid. I know that not all kids are bad, my bast friends is only 15. She is an honor student and never in trouble. But she is the only one I know like that.Parents give their kids way too much freedom because they don't want to be bothered. They have jobs and feel bad that they are not around so let's just let the kids do what they want! My sister is 15 and is having sex with a 17 year old! My 18 year old sister has no job and for some reason thinks the world owes her and she should be given everything! i dont get it! What happened!?

dude, that's some fucked up shit! 15 having sex???? eeewe!
and doesn't that 18 yr old know that you gotta work to get what you want?? nothing falls into your lap! ya this world is so screwed up!!