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What I learned about loneliness (TW)
CecilBGreen
This is a touchy subject but honestly I wish it was something we could all learn sooner than we do.
So many people on these boards here say they are lonely. They have no friends. People let them down. They feel rejected. No one understands.
I have been there and know how hard it is. I know how big, deep and dark that pit of loneliness is. For me I can feel it right inside my stomach. It is swirling and black and cold. It grows and grows and I get afraid it is going to swallow me whole.
Now I have a small group of wonderful friends and a lot of wonderful DS friends but what I dont have is a significant other, a lover, a partner. I dont have that someone who will hold me at night. I dont have that person to hold the other end of the sheet when we are folding the laundry. So I still have that dark place though not as big as it used to be.
I used to have a hard time making or keeping friends. It took me a long time and a really sensitive therapist to figure it out. It was not that people didn't care or like me or even that they didn't understand. For some it may have been, but honestly the friendships never got far enough to find out.
I was asking every person I met to hold my troubles and pain for me. It was too much.
Most people want to meet someone to have fun with, if that works they can offer each other support with smaller things, then if you are lucky you end up with one or 2 friends that you can call when you are in the hospital. These are the ones that dont mind a panic sobbing I need help kind of call. Those friends mean the world to me. I would absolutely do the same for them. Still I dont overuse that kind of friendship. After all, they are mere mortals. Friendships have to develop over time. Some people will be like family and others will be great fun for a night out, watching a game or a movie but nothing too deep. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a casual friendship.
I think those of us who have struggled with a mental illness are taught by counselors to express our feelings. That is their job. But I needed to learn how to keep it in perspective. My counselor gets to hear all those deep dark feelings not people I just met or even my good friends. Like I said I learned not to burn out my friendships. Yes it is so important to show our painto the right people. I believe with all my heart that it is so important to have a counselor, priest, pastor, peer group, even DS as a safe place to go to not only vent but to hopefully gain understanding about myself so I can grow.
I learned there is real value in Fake it til you make it. I smiled. I pretended all was well. I joked. I made small talk. I read the news and kept up on current events so I could talk about something. I pretended I was just like everyone else. I had small successes and it gave me a bit of confidence. This was how I eventually ended up with the 3 best friends anyone could ever ask for so dont knock it.
I know I can go to these friends for anything and the feeling is mutual. We have shared some pretty intense things. Every so often we have a ladies night as we call it. That means we are all going out at the same time together. If one of us cancels last minute without a good excuse (sometimes even WITH a good excuse) she will receive a special gift. Last time I cancelled I received a penis shaped toothbrush :-)
All that being said I needed to be ready. I wasn't ready for close relationships so I worked on myself before I put myself out there. That is where I am now with developing a romantic relationship. I am just not ready for that yet. Just know that people aren't all bad but they cannot and in all honesty should not be your therapist.
So many people on these boards here say they are lonely. They have no friends. People let them down. They feel rejected. No one understands.
I have been there and know how hard it is. I know how big, deep and dark that pit of loneliness is. For me I can feel it right inside my stomach. It is swirling and black and cold. It grows and grows and I get afraid it is going to swallow me whole.
Now I have a small group of wonderful friends and a lot of wonderful DS friends but what I dont have is a significant other, a lover, a partner. I dont have that someone who will hold me at night. I dont have that person to hold the other end of the sheet when we are folding the laundry. So I still have that dark place though not as big as it used to be.
I used to have a hard time making or keeping friends. It took me a long time and a really sensitive therapist to figure it out. It was not that people didn't care or like me or even that they didn't understand. For some it may have been, but honestly the friendships never got far enough to find out.
I was asking every person I met to hold my troubles and pain for me. It was too much.
Most people want to meet someone to have fun with, if that works they can offer each other support with smaller things, then if you are lucky you end up with one or 2 friends that you can call when you are in the hospital. These are the ones that dont mind a panic sobbing I need help kind of call. Those friends mean the world to me. I would absolutely do the same for them. Still I dont overuse that kind of friendship. After all, they are mere mortals. Friendships have to develop over time. Some people will be like family and others will be great fun for a night out, watching a game or a movie but nothing too deep. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a casual friendship.
I think those of us who have struggled with a mental illness are taught by counselors to express our feelings. That is their job. But I needed to learn how to keep it in perspective. My counselor gets to hear all those deep dark feelings not people I just met or even my good friends. Like I said I learned not to burn out my friendships. Yes it is so important to show our painto the right people. I believe with all my heart that it is so important to have a counselor, priest, pastor, peer group, even DS as a safe place to go to not only vent but to hopefully gain understanding about myself so I can grow.
I learned there is real value in Fake it til you make it. I smiled. I pretended all was well. I joked. I made small talk. I read the news and kept up on current events so I could talk about something. I pretended I was just like everyone else. I had small successes and it gave me a bit of confidence. This was how I eventually ended up with the 3 best friends anyone could ever ask for so dont knock it.
I know I can go to these friends for anything and the feeling is mutual. We have shared some pretty intense things. Every so often we have a ladies night as we call it. That means we are all going out at the same time together. If one of us cancels last minute without a good excuse (sometimes even WITH a good excuse) she will receive a special gift. Last time I cancelled I received a penis shaped toothbrush :-)
All that being said I needed to be ready. I wasn't ready for close relationships so I worked on myself before I put myself out there. That is where I am now with developing a romantic relationship. I am just not ready for that yet. Just know that people aren't all bad but they cannot and in all honesty should not be your therapist.
I understand. It's not that I couldn't be in groups at times, just they don't always hold comfort. Which in my shoes is needed, just learning to do this without John, has been painful. I have a hard time with new people wanting too much too soon, I am very good at masking to fit in for a bit, but not long. My classes have hit the limit more than once.
I can't fake that I am really all okay, but I can chat pleasantly for a few seconds on the sidewalk to a passing neighbor. If they ask why they don't see me around much, I say simply, "PTSD. Phobias. I'm housebound a lot more than I used to be," and that's all. And then I take some calming breaths and retreat to my safe zone and tell myself that's one more little thing I've done that's okay and safe.
My BFFs from high school are still my two BFFs (after my hubby
) and I don't ask them to do anything but listen, same as they ask of me. And if they call in a crisis, I'm there as much as I can be, same as they are for me.
I worked on this b/c in college I made a lot of mistakes. So much was pent up from things that weren't to do with the bause at home---and after a while, I figured it out. And I used to be (pre-phobia) pretty clam about going to these huge dinner things for my hubby's work and having to start making idle chat with total strangers. I learned that smiling and making the first move usually meant I didn't ahve to do much else, but smile, and listen, and nod....
Loneliness is everywhere. Not just people with mental or emotional problems. That's what I've learned.
Very insightful, Cecil.
And should.
I've met an unbelievable number of people who hold it all together (to the extent that they do) by living in active denial of the bad stuff, and working incredibly hard to "find the good" in everything -- even when there's just flat out NO good to be found.
It gets them by. I don't try to change them. Can be a tad annoying, at times, though ;-)
But it's what they need to survive.
Many times, they have the luxury of not knowing what we know: that the world can be unimaginably cruel ... for absolutely no good reason.
Others may fight desperately NOT to know that.
For THEIR roads ... will get a LOT harder if they find out our dirty little secrets ...
... about fairness ... justice ... a "just world ...." karma ... the whole "ONLY good things happen to good people, and bad things ONLY happen to bad people" nonsense.
We didn't ask to have reality hit us in the face like a sack of bricks.
But it did.
Which ... I guess ... is why we relate so much easily to each other than ... to those privileged few.
And tend to think we "see through the BS" of most of daily life.
Denial ... didn't work out so well for us, did it ?
I dunno' what it all means, or what's right/wrong, but ... I sure know what YOU mean :-)
Leo I know how hard it was for me and still is some days. I also know my limitations. There are times when I just need to be at home and that is ok too. My close friends know that I have fears , phobias and panic attacks. They quite often hold parties and for the most part I enjoy going to them but they also know I may cut out early because I am an introvert by nature and can only stay so long. I could never tell my neighbors or coworkers that I am bipolar, a victim of incest and sexual abuse anymore than I could tell them I have hemorrhoids. To me it is personal and I am choosy who I trust with personal stuff. Some people are very open about it and comfortable with doing so.
I'm not sure what you were saying. Am I one of those annoying people you speak of?
Cecil, hugs.
J.
I don't see the good in everyone. I think of myself as the opposite. I don't see where it makes any sense to put all my soul out there before I get to know someone. My soul is effing precious and not everyone deserves it.
Ok...here it comes...self righteous pout...
But truly I did not mean to hurt or offend.
I was not ... in ANY WAY ... talking about you, nor put off, nor offended, nor taken aback, nor .... anything negative by ANYTHING you said.
No. Nobody I've EVER seen post here is a Pollyanna that way -- to a rather silly degree:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollyanna
No. We're real about why we're here, about our ups AND our downs, and about how we manage with this load we call PTSD.
I deeply apologize if I gave the impression I was speaking negatively about you.
for me i use support groups to get me out of the world of loneliness...i belong to 3 face to face support groups right now...mind you, i don't goto every meeting but have met some really fantastic, compassionate people.
just last night one member had some of us over for casual conversation/ joking....she served hot cider and coco and all kinds of cookies, desserts...i brought whiskey to put in my cider (my current anti anxiety).
but being around others who understand mental illness and being social is therapeutic for me.
so lately i've thought about building therapeutic friendships ... no, i am not a therapist but that doesn't mean my relationships can't be therapeutic. this means i have to be "vulnerable" (shout out to lilly for reminding me of this) about my needs and negotiate with my friends about what i can and cannot give.
the really cool thing is that once you have that mutual understanding , an amazing healthy , fulfilling relationship is possible.
we are complex as humans and have a wide array of needs...it makes sense to me that we would need many different people in our lives to meet our needs...this also has the advantage of not being a burden to any one person.
whether its online via video chat or face to face, i think great relationships are possible if WE ALLOW them to come into our lives... Mind you, i have been to a ton of codependents anonymous meetings and had to learn this stuff the hard way....isolation , and no tools for building relationships were the norm for me most of my life.
anyhow...this group is great!
John...I think it is great you are thinking about therapeutic relationships. It is something I don't feel qualified for. I often wish I could find a peer support group in my area because many people don't understand things like PTSD, Bipolar, Abuse survivors etc.
The 3 friends I made have all been victims of sexual violence yet we did not know that about each other when we first met. It was something that was revealed over time. I was the first to reveal then the others followed. The only thing I do know is that from the beginning we were always kind to one another so it was a good start.
....you need not "qualify" for anything...that is the cool thing, you just need to be you and be where you are at...it's the "allowing people in" part that was hard for me...it meant i had to change and confront some pretty difficult stuff...and i totally get if you're not ready for that right now, but you will know when you are and i believe you can do it!
as a side note , there are some great, free resources online about how to start of peer support group should you want to try that someday.
...i told you it was a great topic....LOL
And ... John ??
Some of your posts are pretty short. The longer one I just read, from you ... on this thread ... was absolutely wonderful.
Please keep writing.
'Tis a great group, ours :-)
I have also found more people have it than will openly share, so I think it's great we do that. It cuts down on my "loneliness/solitude" factor just to read things here.:-)