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i just read daydreamer73's post about a lousy therapist, and naturally it made me want to start throwing bricks at people. i seem to have some sort of existential ADHD because i've had about 20 careers and one of them was a therapist, and i feel i want to say a few things about the ridiculousness of this field.
i've had some terrible things happen in my life, and one day i crawled into a therapists office and came out a few years later stronger, clearer and completely changed. i experienced the power and possibility of good therapy, and, not for nothing, it helped made me a very good therapist. but i sat in grad school surrounded by girls with active eating disorders, and many other unresolved issues. BIG unresolved issues. by it's very nature the field attracts people who are for some reason fascinated by this science although sometimes its because they are trying to figure out their own baggage while maintaing ultimate control. so you can imagine there was lots of partying with these guys at grad school.
not that i'm saying you can't be a good, crazy therapist. i think that's the best kind in fact. but in grad school it was encouraged that you also go to therapy yourself, because it's an obvious and logical thing to do. many of the students refused, REFUSED to go to therapy, nor had they ever been to one therapy session. how the hell can this be? is the flight simulator optional when training to be a fighter pilot? also, anyone 20 minutes into a psych 101 class knows that a passionate REFUSAL in this context is worth looking at.
of course one reason an aspiring therapist should go to therapy is to experience firsthand what it is you are asking of a client when you ask hard questions. you should know the stakes, you should know the risks, and you should know these things because despite what it may appear (or actually be, in some cases) you are not having a conversation in a therapy session. you are curling up in a warm bubble of unconditional support and validation that you both create together that absorbs all the bumps and bullets so you can sift through to the important stuff. it's not bullying, it's not demanding, and any therapist who comes across that way doesn't know jack about bubble making.
being a therapist is like the guy who spars with the prizefighter. you have to be stronger and faster than he is, or you won't make him a better fighter. a therapist has to be ROCK SOLID. i'm not talking about having an awesome life or being a great dresser or being friends with the matt damon. a rock solid therapist is one that goes to supervision, which is therapy for therapists, specifically about issues triggered in the therapist by the client. this is why: therapists have mothers, many of them hate them. you come in and start talking about your mother and that triggers the therapist. so the whole time you're talking she's thinking that her mother is a bitch and by the time you're asking for advice she's handing you a gun with a silencer on it. that therapist should have worked out all those triggers in supervision so the focus stays on you, and which way YOU want to kill your mother. unfortunately, many, well most therapists don't go to supervision. in my opinion, that makes them about as effective as crying in your coffee to your next door neighbor. i worked with some tough clients in acute psychiatric situations, and i worked supervision hard. it is not easy, and sometimes you have to admit things like being flattered when the rapist in room 16 said you had a nice ass, and thats not great. but you have to talk about the embarrassing things because those are precisely the things that hide in the corners and eat through the wood and leave you wondering why the floor caved in.
being a therapist is visceral, it is a joining with you and creating your idea of safety, your idea of trust. being a therapist is finding the bottom of the hole you're in and crawling in it with you because it is the only way to help you find your way out. it is intuitive. you need to figure out how the client needs to punch you and where and how often and you can never get hurt, never get tired and never say "you are a dick for punching me." you access compassion in the face of cruelty and forgiveness in the face of criminals because these are the antibiotics of the psyche. its a hard job if you do it right, and a good therapist should be constantly evaluating themselves and constantly checking that they are stable and focused like a race car driver keeps kicking the tires. and i'm sorry to say that many of them don't, and that most of them are just crappy crappy therapists, and i just have to hope that this type of thing isn't rampant in the field of dentistry because they have drills.
so here are some things to look for:
you need to be heard, validated, and understood. this is a feeling. if you are pulled out of the moment by something they say that seems like not what you were saying or in a weird direction, red flag.
if you feel pressured to answer something you don't want to answer or made to feel like you have to give some detail you don't wish to, red flag.
if you get the impression that they share your issue, you are feeling that they are being triggered, red freakin flag. they are completely ineffective at that moment.
here's some advice:
a therapist works for you. it's totally reasonable to treat the first session like a job interview. ask about credentials or specific training if it's pertinent, ask if they go to supervision, let them convince you to hire them. see how it feels to be with them. any issues you might have with relationships including trust and bonding will be worked out on this therapist like the pottery scene in "ghost" so, you know, channel your inner swayze.
it seems exhausting to leave one and start another.please don't let this deter you. if you are in crisis, a good therapist will jump right in and ask minimal questions only to get a picture of whats happening and get to it. in fact, i recommend that as a good litmus test. see how well they spring into action and anyway life is too short for 200 census questions. if they don't make the cut move on.
wait until you find a good match to really open yourself up, if you do your research and keep your eyes open you'll find someone worth keeping and then you can start doing the work.
i know that it's soul crushing to rehash your history and then realize it's not working, but by then you're too tired to do anything about it. i know it validates all those fears that you are unfixable and no one gives a shit anyway. i know its another corpse tossed onto the heap labeled "people who don't hear me." i know it feels like you will never be known, never be understood, and never be happy.
but it's not true, none of it, and a good therapist will help you know it. don't stop looking, don't stop asking, don't stop until you find someone good. they exist. and until you sit across from a therapist that wraps you in a cocoon of warmth do not stop. you are worth it, and you can feel better. don't stop.
i've had some terrible things happen in my life, and one day i crawled into a therapists office and came out a few years later stronger, clearer and completely changed. i experienced the power and possibility of good therapy, and, not for nothing, it helped made me a very good therapist. but i sat in grad school surrounded by girls with active eating disorders, and many other unresolved issues. BIG unresolved issues. by it's very nature the field attracts people who are for some reason fascinated by this science although sometimes its because they are trying to figure out their own baggage while maintaing ultimate control. so you can imagine there was lots of partying with these guys at grad school.
not that i'm saying you can't be a good, crazy therapist. i think that's the best kind in fact. but in grad school it was encouraged that you also go to therapy yourself, because it's an obvious and logical thing to do. many of the students refused, REFUSED to go to therapy, nor had they ever been to one therapy session. how the hell can this be? is the flight simulator optional when training to be a fighter pilot? also, anyone 20 minutes into a psych 101 class knows that a passionate REFUSAL in this context is worth looking at.
of course one reason an aspiring therapist should go to therapy is to experience firsthand what it is you are asking of a client when you ask hard questions. you should know the stakes, you should know the risks, and you should know these things because despite what it may appear (or actually be, in some cases) you are not having a conversation in a therapy session. you are curling up in a warm bubble of unconditional support and validation that you both create together that absorbs all the bumps and bullets so you can sift through to the important stuff. it's not bullying, it's not demanding, and any therapist who comes across that way doesn't know jack about bubble making.
being a therapist is like the guy who spars with the prizefighter. you have to be stronger and faster than he is, or you won't make him a better fighter. a therapist has to be ROCK SOLID. i'm not talking about having an awesome life or being a great dresser or being friends with the matt damon. a rock solid therapist is one that goes to supervision, which is therapy for therapists, specifically about issues triggered in the therapist by the client. this is why: therapists have mothers, many of them hate them. you come in and start talking about your mother and that triggers the therapist. so the whole time you're talking she's thinking that her mother is a bitch and by the time you're asking for advice she's handing you a gun with a silencer on it. that therapist should have worked out all those triggers in supervision so the focus stays on you, and which way YOU want to kill your mother. unfortunately, many, well most therapists don't go to supervision. in my opinion, that makes them about as effective as crying in your coffee to your next door neighbor. i worked with some tough clients in acute psychiatric situations, and i worked supervision hard. it is not easy, and sometimes you have to admit things like being flattered when the rapist in room 16 said you had a nice ass, and thats not great. but you have to talk about the embarrassing things because those are precisely the things that hide in the corners and eat through the wood and leave you wondering why the floor caved in.
being a therapist is visceral, it is a joining with you and creating your idea of safety, your idea of trust. being a therapist is finding the bottom of the hole you're in and crawling in it with you because it is the only way to help you find your way out. it is intuitive. you need to figure out how the client needs to punch you and where and how often and you can never get hurt, never get tired and never say "you are a dick for punching me." you access compassion in the face of cruelty and forgiveness in the face of criminals because these are the antibiotics of the psyche. its a hard job if you do it right, and a good therapist should be constantly evaluating themselves and constantly checking that they are stable and focused like a race car driver keeps kicking the tires. and i'm sorry to say that many of them don't, and that most of them are just crappy crappy therapists, and i just have to hope that this type of thing isn't rampant in the field of dentistry because they have drills.
so here are some things to look for:
you need to be heard, validated, and understood. this is a feeling. if you are pulled out of the moment by something they say that seems like not what you were saying or in a weird direction, red flag.
if you feel pressured to answer something you don't want to answer or made to feel like you have to give some detail you don't wish to, red flag.
if you get the impression that they share your issue, you are feeling that they are being triggered, red freakin flag. they are completely ineffective at that moment.
here's some advice:
a therapist works for you. it's totally reasonable to treat the first session like a job interview. ask about credentials or specific training if it's pertinent, ask if they go to supervision, let them convince you to hire them. see how it feels to be with them. any issues you might have with relationships including trust and bonding will be worked out on this therapist like the pottery scene in "ghost" so, you know, channel your inner swayze.
it seems exhausting to leave one and start another.please don't let this deter you. if you are in crisis, a good therapist will jump right in and ask minimal questions only to get a picture of whats happening and get to it. in fact, i recommend that as a good litmus test. see how well they spring into action and anyway life is too short for 200 census questions. if they don't make the cut move on.
wait until you find a good match to really open yourself up, if you do your research and keep your eyes open you'll find someone worth keeping and then you can start doing the work.
i know that it's soul crushing to rehash your history and then realize it's not working, but by then you're too tired to do anything about it. i know it validates all those fears that you are unfixable and no one gives a shit anyway. i know its another corpse tossed onto the heap labeled "people who don't hear me." i know it feels like you will never be known, never be understood, and never be happy.
but it's not true, none of it, and a good therapist will help you know it. don't stop looking, don't stop asking, don't stop until you find someone good. they exist. and until you sit across from a therapist that wraps you in a cocoon of warmth do not stop. you are worth it, and you can feel better. don't stop.
My adult life has had its share as well. Your statement about not giving up is 100 percent true. I am now 42 years old. I have been seeing my now therapist for almost 2 full years. She is definitely a cocoon of warmth. I look forward to my weekly sessions. She always seems to say the right things at the right times, even if I don't like it...She never makes me feel less than, even when she disagrees with me. If I call, she always returns my calls and will even do a phone session if necessary.
I am in the midst of leaving a very abusive relationship and processing a divorce. My ex to be is a narcissist and also has emotional, mental and physical issues. It has been hell, but my wonderful therapist has been my guiding supportive light...she never pushed me in any direction...just subtly helped me make my own decision...
Great post!
part of being a therapist is the persona you develop. you are a cardboard cutout of a human who never goes home and yells at her kids and hates her husband and curls up with some jack daniels to go to sleep. this is important for you, the client, because you need to be able to say anything without fear that you are upsetting or touching on your therapists' issues or hurting their feelings. they have no feelings. they are a cutout here for you with no past and no future, and become what you need them to become.
for the therapist this cardboard needs to be kept absolutely watertight, because that is the only way you can hear "i'm scared and please stay and talk to me" when a 16 year old boy throws a chair and calls you a f**** bitch." its like a sherman tank for the therapists own insides with a decoder ring for secret messages.
what i'm saying is that a great therapist can be a mess in their personal life, like a doctor that chain smokes or a nutritionist that eats a box of mallowmars in the car on the way to work in the morning. if the persona is solid, if the commitment to the work is paramount, one thing can really not affect the other. so please don't think you have to abandon your social work background daydreamer. knowing whats on the other side gives you a powerful tool for working with others in the same boat and fear and anxiety can be channelled into some amazing things. i'm just saying don't think you can't help anyone until you're perfect, although i bet that's only like 4 days away.
tryingtobefree you are a success story! how wonderful to have someone to walk the rocky road of divorce with you and good for you for knowing you are worth all the hard work.
its inspiring to know you guys are out there seeking despite the disappointments, and fighting for yourself when you barely have the strength. rock on.
As you said, she didn't tell me what to do, call me on my weaknesses or failings (ffs I'd had enough of THAT all my life). She just gently led me to my strengths. Led me to see them, rather than telling me what they were - she got that it was more important for me to see what my strengths were than for someone else to tell me, because that would have been just another voice, indistinguishable from those who said I had no strengths.
My own career has been as an attorney. And very similar issues apply. People feel they "must" believe that the attorney knows better, "must" do as they are told. And that's wrong, but many will exploit those thoughts, for the power it gives them. Fact is, if you hire someone, whether it's to mow your lawns, fix your pipes, counsel you, give you legal advice - no matter WHAT you hire someone to do, you have a right to decide whether they are able to do it to your satisfaction. YOUR satisfaction. Not theirs, or the satisfaction of the people who handed out the credentials, not even someone else who found them helpful. I would recommend my counsellor to anyone - but I also recognise she won't be right for everyone.
Well said (as always)!
i'm going to hire Livn as my speech writer.
Paying attention to triggers is very important, too. And yes, consistently meeting with a supervisor and other fellow therapists is essential. A lot of therapists with their own practice do not do this.
There are so many types of therapy, and so many types of personalities out there that it may take a while to find a therapist that fits with you. But I do think that not only should your therapist validate you, but they should also challenge you, because if you are seeking change, how else will it happen if someone isn't challenging you? Sometimes when therapy is really starting to move in the right direction, the client can get angry (fear?) and not return. If you find a therapist you respect and works well with you, try to see it through. Don't keep therapist hopping in the hopes of finding one that tells you what you want to hear. You'll keep yourself stuck.
Just some thoughts from an almost new therapist! :)
Vernacular- why did you quit the field? How long were you in it? You definitely have a therapist voice.
I am SO SO LUCKY to have found my counselor. She's not a guru; she smokes and curses and has her own problems. But she's EXCELLENT at dividing things up into personal responsibilities, which is the exact opposite of abuse. And she's taught me the value of, and how to validate. It's been really eye-opening what a necessary yet unnecessarily rare commodity this is.
I can't say she creates a cocoon of warmth, but rather a cocoon of awesome. She herself says "It's not my job to help you feel better, it's my job to help you better feel." Although I don't always leave counseling feeling "happy" I definitely leave feeling less confused and with more direction in my life. I wish there was one of her for everyone on here!
good luck in your therapy studies, you already sound more aware than most therapists i've worked with. i'm glad you'll be in the field.