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Obsessed with Perfection "The Centerfold Synd
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Hi ladies, I was wondering if you've experienced this in your relationships. I don't think there's necessarily a connection between being abusive and having a fetish for softcore pornography or models/playboy bunnies, and I suppose that a man can probably have this fetish and not necessarily be abusive (although I can't imagine their relationship being very good or fulfilling!).
I'm personally not deeply religious or opposed to all pornography, but I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the way women are portrayed in not just porn but the media, the magazines, the advertisements. Basically everywhere.
I remember reading a study of matchmaking websites that showed that, for women over 27, there's a marked steep drop in male interest and that's in spite of professional status, high income or any other variable. Whereas , after the age of 30 men's "market value" apparently rises.
That may seem like a silly study but I think it tells you a lot. It tells you that women are only valued based on their youth and looks and that for some reason, men are exempt from that. That even if their looks may decline after a certain age they can still make up for that with their maturity, intelligence, character or even financial success or whatever it may be.
Unfortunately women cannot compensate in any way shape or form for loss of youth and that's an incredibly important issue.
Anyways, I recommend for everybody to read The Centerfold Syndrome, especially if you've dealt with someone who was preoccupied with pornography or female models.
About its author:
" Dr. Brooks began studying the connection between soft-core pornographic images in magazines like Playboy when he noticed his own attitudes changing toward his wife. He had grown up in
post-war America and learned much of his views about women by gazing at pornographic magazines. His earliest relationships with women frequently failed because he was always looking for the
perfect womanthe fantasy woman displayed in pornography magazines. He would break off relationships because of his girlfriends flaws. After 15 years of marriage, he began noticing himself losing
interest in his wife because she was getting old. At that point he realized he had to let go of his fantasy image of the perfect woman. It was pornography that had given him this false image of what the perfect woman should look like. "
". . . a survey of young men in the Stanford University School of Business Administration showed that their favorite magazines were Playboy, and GQ (Gentlemens Quarterly). Researcher Debbie Then was alarmed by the attitudes these men had toward women. According to Then, consumers of pornography were critical of women who were overweight, and they wanted their sexual companions to look like Playboy centerfolds. Her findings, said Then, confirm womens worst fears that first and foremost they are judged by appearance and that their intelligence is secondary in importance. The men who view these magazines say they are more critical of real-life womenand thats even when they are aware that the pictures theyre looking at are airbrushed and altered.
"The bottom line is that boys who are exposed to pornography and who slowly become addicted to these images, are being socialized to view women as sex toys and body parts, not as human beings made in the image of God. Boys who are addicted to pornography will find it difficult to form lasting relationships with girls because they are always looking for a girl to fulfill a fantasy created by pornography.
If these boys do marry, they will frequently be dissatisfied with their wives because these women can never compare with the fraudulent images and behaviors of women who act out in pornographic
magazines, videos, and internet sites."
Has anyone had this happen? Were you ever uncomfortable from finding your loved one collecting magazines full of women half your size or half your age?
I'm personally not deeply religious or opposed to all pornography, but I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the way women are portrayed in not just porn but the media, the magazines, the advertisements. Basically everywhere.
I remember reading a study of matchmaking websites that showed that, for women over 27, there's a marked steep drop in male interest and that's in spite of professional status, high income or any other variable. Whereas , after the age of 30 men's "market value" apparently rises.
That may seem like a silly study but I think it tells you a lot. It tells you that women are only valued based on their youth and looks and that for some reason, men are exempt from that. That even if their looks may decline after a certain age they can still make up for that with their maturity, intelligence, character or even financial success or whatever it may be.
Unfortunately women cannot compensate in any way shape or form for loss of youth and that's an incredibly important issue.
Anyways, I recommend for everybody to read The Centerfold Syndrome, especially if you've dealt with someone who was preoccupied with pornography or female models.
About its author:
" Dr. Brooks began studying the connection between soft-core pornographic images in magazines like Playboy when he noticed his own attitudes changing toward his wife. He had grown up in
post-war America and learned much of his views about women by gazing at pornographic magazines. His earliest relationships with women frequently failed because he was always looking for the
perfect womanthe fantasy woman displayed in pornography magazines. He would break off relationships because of his girlfriends flaws. After 15 years of marriage, he began noticing himself losing
interest in his wife because she was getting old. At that point he realized he had to let go of his fantasy image of the perfect woman. It was pornography that had given him this false image of what the perfect woman should look like. "
". . . a survey of young men in the Stanford University School of Business Administration showed that their favorite magazines were Playboy, and GQ (Gentlemens Quarterly). Researcher Debbie Then was alarmed by the attitudes these men had toward women. According to Then, consumers of pornography were critical of women who were overweight, and they wanted their sexual companions to look like Playboy centerfolds. Her findings, said Then, confirm womens worst fears that first and foremost they are judged by appearance and that their intelligence is secondary in importance. The men who view these magazines say they are more critical of real-life womenand thats even when they are aware that the pictures theyre looking at are airbrushed and altered.
"The bottom line is that boys who are exposed to pornography and who slowly become addicted to these images, are being socialized to view women as sex toys and body parts, not as human beings made in the image of God. Boys who are addicted to pornography will find it difficult to form lasting relationships with girls because they are always looking for a girl to fulfill a fantasy created by pornography.
If these boys do marry, they will frequently be dissatisfied with their wives because these women can never compare with the fraudulent images and behaviors of women who act out in pornographic
magazines, videos, and internet sites."
Has anyone had this happen? Were you ever uncomfortable from finding your loved one collecting magazines full of women half your size or half your age?
The problem extends well beyond porn though. Society portays women and men in unrealistically "perfect" ways everywhere we look. Magazines, movies, music videos, TV, fashion, commercials, toys, cartoons, etc.
Men and women both do this, and as you've pointed out, it leads to trouble in relationships when one or both partners clings to those unrealistic images of what they want their partner to look/be like. I would imagine it hurts all the more if said partner collects such materials and leaves them where their significant other can see it.
I know what you mean about society in general having such a low tolerance for imperfection. It seems like nowadays if you're not a 'winner' it's okay to look down on you and to treat you like crap. And I know that there are ways that men get the short end of the stick (I hate it when women don't get the death penalty for crimes that a guy would have gotten it hands down) and I don't think that's fair.
But in the sexual objectification sense and the emphasis on a youthful, flawless looks, I don't think that men have it as bad by a very long shot.
I remember being in my teens and asking my mom once why so many TV commercials featured semi-nude women trying to be seductive but so few men doing the same thing with very little emphasis on men's body parts. She said it was probably because female bodies are more aesthetically attractive. But are they? I don't believe so at all and nor do most women and gay men that I know. I think it's more about the roles that men and women are given: as observer versus observed.
Here's an excerpt from the book with a link.
"... the Centerfold Syndrome calls for men to become observers, it also calls for women to become the observed. Women become objects as men become objectifiers. As the culture has granted men the right and privilege of looking at women, women have been expected to accept the role of stimulators of mens visual interest, with their bodies becoming objects that can be lined up, compared, and rated. The process is distinctly one-way, with womens bodies highlighted and male observers remaining in the shadows or anonymous in a crowd. "
http://pastordavidrn.homestead.com/files/centerfold.pdf
It's a very interesting book, hopefully someone will find it in their library.
It may be better to look at how the issue affects each gender separately as well as how it affects both as a whole.
Women certainly have much more overt pressure to conform to these expectations society holds everyone to. However, it seems like the pressure these expectations place on men don't get discussed much at all. And at the same time some of these harmful expectations that are placed on both genders don't seem to produce the same types of harmful results (albeit both genders still suffer from the same expectation placed on them). Such as how society views/treats women/men who are shy instead of confident and outgoing.
Another part of the problem I thought of that bothers me is how early in life these unrealistic ideals are pushed on kids.
Decades ago when my younger brother was little, whenever a car/truck commercial was shown on TV and said something like "you NEED this vehicle", he was convinced that we really needed to go get one and would tell our parents that we needed to go get one.
I shudder at the thought of what little girls must go through when they're exposed to ads like these all the time. They are exposed to a constant bombardment of advertisements for beauty/fashion/hair products that reinforce the idea that women are obligated to meet these impossible standards in order to be worth anything in society.
It's not even just girls who are being affected by these ads either. Boys grow up seeing these ads all the time too, but instead start seeing these unrealistic portrayals of women as being what they are meant to see as ideal partners. Many of them grow up expecting to find a partner who looks like an airbrushed supermodel and treat those who don't like trash. Many women do the same thing when it comes to guys. The guys who don't fit the media's portrayals of tall, handsome, assertive/confident or muscular get treated like trash too.
It has had a negative impact on our sex life. I have run through most, if not all, the emotions...anger, self doubt, hurt, and now I'm just complacent. I just don't care. He has difficulty having an orgasm through sex with me. He blames me. I'm too rigid. He knows I don't like it so he can't enjoy himself. But he has had difficulty having orgasm since the beginning of our marriage...when I was younger, more sexual, less rigid. He blames his porn addiction on me too... I don't give him enough sex.... Although he gets way more sex now than he did in the beginning of our marriage. Ive taken his manhood away from him by having too much control in our marriage so he turns to porn because it is the only thing he can control. I must have been sexually abused as a child because I don't like sex as much as him. All things I hear from him often.
I do like sex. Actually I think I'm highly sexual. I just think he has smothered that part of me. I have absolutely no desire for him any longer. I have tried long enough to be what he needs and it's NEVER EVER enough.