Physical & Emotional Abuse Support Group
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REDOAGAIN
Here is the lie. When my SO contacted me 6 mo. ago, after 2 years no contact, we had e/m, and talked, and gone out jeeping for about 3 weeks. I was already caved in. Then he told me that he had a female "friend"that he Bowled with on Fridays. I was livid that he had a girlfriend and had contacted me, and pulling at my heart strings. He told me I had taken it all wrong. They were friends, it was not romantic and that they had only been going out bowling for 2 months. I asked him if she had expectations of it being more, and he said she may, but I have never mislead her. He wanted to get back with me. I have to say that that scared me, made me jealous and like I had to make a decision right then or never know if things would change. So I told him I would reconcile, but I wasn't part of a harem. He called her right then and let her know we were back together and would have to cancel out of their bowling night. He said she was fine with that. They were just friends and she said if she sees us out together she would be glad to see us.
My first run in with her was on a Friday. We go out on fridays shooting pool. She is Filipino. I noticed a Filipino woman sitting at the bar, and asked him if that was her. He said yes. I said, "do you want to introduce us?" He went over and asked her to come say hi, and she got up, pushed past him and stormed out of the bar. I knew he had lied.
He changed his story a little, it may have gone on a little longer then two months, but just friends, never romantic. Later, with much hura, a little longer turned into a year, but still holding to just being friends, she was not his cup of tea, she wanted more, and was pissed now that it didn't grow into more, but he never mislead her and it was never romantic. He blamed her for being childish.
If I had known it had gone on a year, I would not have reconciled. Clearly she had expectations, romantic or not, and has deep feelings for him.
As time has gone on, she has become a regular fixture on pool night. She never speaks to me, but sits at the bar looking in the other direction, except for an occasional glare back at me, and of course I see every glare, cause I'm fixated on her. The air is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
I have told him repeatedly how uncomfortable this is. She has the right to be mad. She vested a year, no matter what the nature of things were, he knew she had expectations. He should have let her off the hook and not continued to give her hope. He keeps telling me that he never mislead her. It is her own fault.
As she has been ever present in the bar, I have noticed that she comes in alone, but leaves, every week, with men that pick her up. A different guy every week. She is older then us, in her late 50"s or early 60"s, he says she never would reveal her age, but she dresses really provocatively. I have heard that her husband died not long before my SO started going bowling with her.
I don't know what to say. He clearly used her as company, and discarded her as soon as he thought he had me hooked. I want to apologize to her, but she will not speak to me.
Last weekend we were talking about all the men she has gone home with. I did not believe that nothing romantic had happened. I asked him a very pointed question, and he caved. In the beginning, there was some petting going on, he knew right away, her age and culture differences, made him not turned on by her. I do believe that, by the way, because I know things about him. But still, he used her for company. She could have met someone in that time, so I am angry at him for that, and I am enraged that he lied about the duration and nature and slowly reveled things along the way.
When he got home from his business trip on Friday, I had had a week of total anger that I could not speak to him about because he was gone. But I wrote it all out and confronted him when he got home. He was so angry that I called him out.
He justifies his lies calling them omissions, not lies, and that if he had told me the truth, he knew we wouldn't be together. He says he couldn't come clean because I'd have been mad, and see it's true. I'm mad. Is that his way of saying it was my fault? Yep, non of this mess is his fault. It's hers for being childish and wanting more, and mine for being angry if he tells me the truth.
Anyway, it was a horrible fight, but the moments I remember most from it was how scared his eyes looked. I was looking straight into them, and said, how can you possibly expect me to believe you don't know the difference between 2 mo. and 1 year, how can you look me straight in the eye and tell me that. He said it was the truth, and I was so furious, I yelled, what do you live in a whole nother universe that you could expect me to believe that.
The other thing I remember most was him walking away in the beginning of the fight, angry, spewing out, "Oh, so now your calling me a liar." YES!!! you are a liar!!! Bold face Liar!!!
He also said very kind things in all of it. If I had wanted to be with her, I could have, I wanted to be with you. I omitted, (never once saying he lied) the information because he wanted us back together. Please just let it be in the past. We are doing so good except for this one thing, can't you just let it go so we can move on.
Just had to put it all in writing. I do feel better now that the truth is out, and weather he can own it or not, I said my peace. I told him how it made me feel and how painful it was and how gravely he had damaged everything by just not being honest about it. But he is right, I would not have taken him back. The only thing I can say that he had a point on, is he is right, I would have not taken him back.
My first run in with her was on a Friday. We go out on fridays shooting pool. She is Filipino. I noticed a Filipino woman sitting at the bar, and asked him if that was her. He said yes. I said, "do you want to introduce us?" He went over and asked her to come say hi, and she got up, pushed past him and stormed out of the bar. I knew he had lied.
He changed his story a little, it may have gone on a little longer then two months, but just friends, never romantic. Later, with much hura, a little longer turned into a year, but still holding to just being friends, she was not his cup of tea, she wanted more, and was pissed now that it didn't grow into more, but he never mislead her and it was never romantic. He blamed her for being childish.
If I had known it had gone on a year, I would not have reconciled. Clearly she had expectations, romantic or not, and has deep feelings for him.
As time has gone on, she has become a regular fixture on pool night. She never speaks to me, but sits at the bar looking in the other direction, except for an occasional glare back at me, and of course I see every glare, cause I'm fixated on her. The air is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
I have told him repeatedly how uncomfortable this is. She has the right to be mad. She vested a year, no matter what the nature of things were, he knew she had expectations. He should have let her off the hook and not continued to give her hope. He keeps telling me that he never mislead her. It is her own fault.
As she has been ever present in the bar, I have noticed that she comes in alone, but leaves, every week, with men that pick her up. A different guy every week. She is older then us, in her late 50"s or early 60"s, he says she never would reveal her age, but she dresses really provocatively. I have heard that her husband died not long before my SO started going bowling with her.
I don't know what to say. He clearly used her as company, and discarded her as soon as he thought he had me hooked. I want to apologize to her, but she will not speak to me.
Last weekend we were talking about all the men she has gone home with. I did not believe that nothing romantic had happened. I asked him a very pointed question, and he caved. In the beginning, there was some petting going on, he knew right away, her age and culture differences, made him not turned on by her. I do believe that, by the way, because I know things about him. But still, he used her for company. She could have met someone in that time, so I am angry at him for that, and I am enraged that he lied about the duration and nature and slowly reveled things along the way.
When he got home from his business trip on Friday, I had had a week of total anger that I could not speak to him about because he was gone. But I wrote it all out and confronted him when he got home. He was so angry that I called him out.
He justifies his lies calling them omissions, not lies, and that if he had told me the truth, he knew we wouldn't be together. He says he couldn't come clean because I'd have been mad, and see it's true. I'm mad. Is that his way of saying it was my fault? Yep, non of this mess is his fault. It's hers for being childish and wanting more, and mine for being angry if he tells me the truth.
Anyway, it was a horrible fight, but the moments I remember most from it was how scared his eyes looked. I was looking straight into them, and said, how can you possibly expect me to believe you don't know the difference between 2 mo. and 1 year, how can you look me straight in the eye and tell me that. He said it was the truth, and I was so furious, I yelled, what do you live in a whole nother universe that you could expect me to believe that.
The other thing I remember most was him walking away in the beginning of the fight, angry, spewing out, "Oh, so now your calling me a liar." YES!!! you are a liar!!! Bold face Liar!!!
He also said very kind things in all of it. If I had wanted to be with her, I could have, I wanted to be with you. I omitted, (never once saying he lied) the information because he wanted us back together. Please just let it be in the past. We are doing so good except for this one thing, can't you just let it go so we can move on.
Just had to put it all in writing. I do feel better now that the truth is out, and weather he can own it or not, I said my peace. I told him how it made me feel and how painful it was and how gravely he had damaged everything by just not being honest about it. But he is right, I would not have taken him back. The only thing I can say that he had a point on, is he is right, I would have not taken him back.
* 2 months bowling once a week, just friends, no expectations of any sort;
* a year of bowling, just friends, maybe some expectations;
* a year of bowling, friends but she wanted and expected more;
* a year of bowling, some "petting" early on, she expected more.
What's the next story going to be? You can't ever know how far the lie goes, because it's not just one lie. It's lie after lie after lie.
Believe me, I know how it feels. I had something similar, when I found out my ex was having an affair. The layers upon layers of lies about it went on for nearly 2 years before I just gave up on ever knowing the truth. I still don't know exactly what went on or when it started. And that meant I could never trust him on anything again. Because like your partner, he always felt justified in telling whatever lies he needed to in order to get what he wanted.
You have every right to be very VERY upset. You are being lied to, and you were manipulated into a relationship that you wouldn't have entered if it weren't for the lies. And given the attitude of this other woman, she has almost certainly been lied to about you also. Yes, it's a shame she's not willing to talk to you so that you can sort out the truth (been THERE too, one of my best friends now is a woman who I heard about as some crazy psycho stalker, from a man who was trying to win me over - turns out he was the crazy psycho stalker). Who knows what lies he's told her about you, but it probably starts with how appallingly you treated him before and has moved on to how you are crazy now and you control his every move blah blah blah.
Don't listen to his BS about you being wrong here. You're not. But now it's up to you to decide whether you want a relationship based on lies.
Even though you took him back you are not stuck you can send down the road too.
I found the post you wrote-----Liar, Liar and took this from it because you said in this post everything was going good, now.
"So then its okay to tell me something thats not true, when in telling me the truth I won't make the decision you want me to, then it's not a lie? "Yes." he agreed that was his story and he was sticking to it. Wow....so lame, I have to laugh, but finally something tangible and real that I can deal with.
His omission above means to me this is how it will be. He will say anything he needs to say, lies or not, to get you to do what he wants.
If this is OK with you, then go for it, but it is not in the past and it will not go away.
Someone on this board, could have been Liv, or MTC, said when someone shows you their true colors------believe them.
Rosiekins, "A Ploy" that is exactly how I feel. I did not know about her. He didn't have to tell me about her. He could have broke it off with her before he asked me to reconcile. It's really non of my business what the duration and nature of this was, we were apart, and that was my choice. But by using her as a ploy, not ending it first so that it would pressure me into deciding and make me jealous, then the details do become relevant to me. And you know, I didn't want to know the details. I made a choice,I delt with it. I separated because it was painful, not because I didn't love him. I didn't want to know details. I don't want to see her. He is so stupid to use her as a ploy to get me back. If he had just maned up, came to me without all that garbage, and trying harder as he is now, I could have believed that he had made a change. He just couldn't give that to me.
Yes, I see his true colors. It may sound odd, but it helps, weather I'm in it or not, to see the truth. Being on the fence, not sure to believe something that feels like a lie, but you have no proof, is horrid. I don't know how I will feel tomorrow, but for today I'm relieved the details are out. He's a liar. No doubt. He lies selfishly,even though it hurts people. The truth doesn't hurt as bad,as being confused or doubting your own instincts. That's the painful part, is not knowing if you can trust your own feelings. My feelings were dead on. Hearing him say such outrageous things gives his words less standing in my heart and mind.
LIES rob us of our autonomy-which are essential to our humanity. A lie, HIS lieS, is NOT a no big deal kind of a thing. It is fundamental to him being AN ABUSER. Abuser's main goal is to, through various methods, rob us of autonomy to gain control over us. He may be nice right now-but he is still an abuser, and sweety, abusers don't love-they only love to abuse. This lie is foundational-it is based upon a mindset which is abusive, which is to rob you of autonomy.
Proof, smoof-trust yourself. You've been down this road before. If it feels like abuse-it is. That "feeling" is your subconscious registering a million, tiny, subtle little clues that you conscious mind is too busy 'thinking" to compute. Trust it.
I have done this in my past too only now to determine that I was trying to find something wrong so I had an excuse to NOT be with him and not hurt his feelings but make it his fault. You need to decide if he is bad news and you are trying to justify it, or you just want to hurt yourself with knowing what he was doing when the two of you werent together for 2 years.
If he had been honest, I WOULD NOT BE IN THIS. That is the reason it is my business. Other then that, if she would stop stalking him and not be in our lives, I would never think about her and our lives would be in a much better place. He should have approached me available. If he had, things would be different right now. We are getting along better. I wish she didn't exist.
Can't......explained it way better than I ever could have, but it's what I would have liked to have said.
I wish you much happiness.
(((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))
This lie tells you everything you need to know. He does not CARE about who you are, what your values are, he is willing to take that away from you if that means you will become available to serve his needs. THAT is how little he values YOU, as a person. Which of course means you are an object to him, not a human being. You are no different to him than a possession. So he treats his laptop really well,or his car. They don't have individuality either, they are a thing to be used by him. Why do you want to be with someone who doesn't care about the core of you? Why do you think it's okay for him to take away what makes you different than a car of a laptop?
No wonder he's telling lies to cover his lies-he KNOWS he has revealed himself this way. His true feelings about you with this action. Of course he's being nice right now-he needs to make you forget what you KNOW through his lies. Just wait until enough time has passed that you do forget-how do you think he'll treat you then? He's not treating you well because he appreciates you-it's a means to an end. He wants that laptop to stop trying to be a person. What does all the niceness in the world matter when someone does not value YOU?