Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) Support Group
Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile, and defiant behavior toward authority figures that goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. When a child cannot seem to control his anger or frustration, even over what seems to be trivial or simple to others, the child will often react in violent or negative ways to his own...
Just as with your son, our oldest also has ADD and ODD. Academics has been a struggle since I can remember and her hygiene is problematic. Getting her to wash hands after using the restroom, using soap when taking showers instead of just water, shaving and grooming consistently, etc.
We have a college fund set up for her but I have given up hope that she will go to college. At this point I just want her to get through high school.
My husband remains much calmer than I do, I cannot keep my cool when she blatantly refuses to do what she needs to do. She will spend HOURS watching videos, messing with her phone, doing "art" anything that SHE wants to do.
Work is a four letter word. She's too lazy to even bring tennis shoes for gym. Getting Fs in Art and Gym has taken school to a whole new level. My mom always asks about getting a tutor. If she had a subject she was struggling with; then yes, a tutor would be great! But a tutor can't fix her lack of willingness to put forth effort.
She's on a 504 but she doesn't recognize there are any issues. She doesn't feel that she's disrespectful or that she does anything wrong. Everything is everyone else's fault.
I understand your frustrations. I find it hard to say positive things about her and we also worry about her future. Her ability to hold down a job and support herself. It is scary.
She thinks once she turns 18 she can do whatever she wants and we can't tell her what to do. Will be interesting to see how that goes in a few years, Hope she's got it figured out by then because there will be no more cell phone being paid or at that point car payments or insurance being paid.
Before we had our 2nd child I had so much guilt about how we were such horrible parents. I now realize, it's not us. This is truly how kids with ADD and ODD are wired and it SUCKS! We have raised both kids the same and they could. It be more opposite. Our youngest is so kind hearted and hard working. She has dyslexia so academics is also a struggle for her BUT she tries and that's all that matters. She has the willingness but struggles with the ability.
I hate to say it but emotionally I don't have the same feelings towards our oldest than I do our youngest. I love them both but many days I don't like our oldest.
I wish I had some recommendations but we have yet to find the answers and I'm not sure there are any.
It is always in the back of my mind how kids with these issues have a high rate for dropping out of school and with substance abuse. That also worries me.
I hope it helps to know you are not alone. And it sounds like your other 2 kids are doing just fine, which further confirms nature over nurture.
I have found the site empoweringparents.com to be helpful. We ordered the ODD lifeline and it was helpful. Ultimately it showed us that we can't control her or her decisions. All we can do is impose consequences and stay consistent with our efforts.
I often try to come up with positive words to describe P, but I can't. I feel terrible saying it, but I'd really rather not be around him. I find myself immediately frustrated and/or on edge whenever he's around (despite the robotic front I try to put on).
Like you said, hopefully time will help, and maybe that maturity gap will close a bit. I really hope it does. He's pretty intolerable right now, and I dread the next few years -- and beyond -- He has almost zero life skills right now. I feel like he's going to need someone to manage him until he's 30.
Part of me wants her to fail in school hoping it will be a wake up call but I don't think it will. And then what? She might drop out or never finish high school and then how can she support herself. It's a no win situation. She can't think beyond the current moment. We are starting counseling soon to try and help us cope. I know you mentioned you have been going, but it's not helped?
The counselor's most recent suggestion is that we modify allowance. We give each kid $10 every week for helping out around the house with chores. P does VERY little to earn his, relative to the other two kids, and I'd already cut his allowance in half (he gets $5, and I put the other $5 in an hidden envelope, because he's incapable of saving). NOW, his allowance is more focused on his behavior. When he gives us his usual BS, we now prompt him to cooperate by telling him that it's "a dollar moment". If he cooperates, he can earn a dollar, which at the end of the week, adds up to $10. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I've got mixed feelings about it. I don't like bribing him.
At any rate, while the other two kids are pretty aware of the situation, and know that their brother's got issues, we can feel the resentment. They already do a majority of the chores, and now P gets even MORE of a free ride?
But in all, therapy is helpful. I usually go in first, sometimes to talk about what P's most recent behavior has been, so that the therapist can sort of steer the session appropriately, other times, I've just gone in there and vomited my frustrations and anger at him for 10 minutes. Peter then comes in, I leave, and then the therapist will have me come back in at the end to wrap-up/summarize, and give us stuff to work on. I try not to ask P what got discussed -- he often bristles if pressed about anything having to do with therapy.
So yes, as a whole, it's been helpful. I'm glad to hear that you'll be starting soon.
I know I don't help the situation. My reactions to her are not good. It is hard for me to not yell or react when she's being argumentative and disrespectful, which is daily.
Our friends and family don't understand. No one understands unless you live with it. It's always "she's just being a teenager", "she's a kid", and of course the ever so helpful "I wouldn't let her talk to me that way". When others are around her, it is usually during social settings, parties, vacations, etc. she's great when it's all fun and she's getting what she wants. But to be her parent and make her get up for school and ask about school, all hell breaks loose.
I get that every child tests boundaries but this is NOT normal boundary testing.
I end up with a lot of resentment towards her as well. I feel like all of this has taken its toll on our marriage and that is very hard to deal with. I think I am going to end up going to some sessions with just me.
I have a feeling once she leaves home, we won't hear from her unless she needs something.
It is odd how we get to see the worst of them. I am always floored when teachers tell me she uses her manners at school. She has told us before that she doesn't use them with us because she doesn't think she needs to. At least we know that she knows how use to them and it is good to hear she uses them with others. Gives me some hope that maybe that's how other aspects of her life will be too.
I always fear her bad choices are going to end up causing damage that can't be repaired. It scares me to think she will be driving soon. In the back of my mind I worry about her causing an accident and getting injured or hurting someone else. Some stupid choices can alter your life in an instance but they don't recognize the risks.
What has the counselor said when you've voiced concerns about his future, being able to support himself and having life skills? I am anxious to hear what advise ours will provide, I know we shouldn't automatically assume the worst but it's hard not to. If they lie and make poor choices on small everyday events, I can't imagine what will happen with life altering decisions. That is a huge fear.
Yes, P's neurotypical brother has kept my wife and me from going completely insane -- not just because he's a great kid, but because he's proof positive that we're not to blame for P's issues.
Sorry thwt was supposed to be Bioray Kids happy.
"A lot of his behaviour is "care seeking"" He can probably see that you feel differently towards his siblings and imagine how he feels, knowing that. He wants you to love him as much as W. I'm sure if you start to show P as much love, he'll be a "great kid" too.
You're not to blame for P's issues, if we keep in mind that that they have ODD, they can’t help the way they feel and behave and they are just trying to cope with it. The best reaction we can give them is to show them that we do care and want to help them.
Easier said than done I know, we’ve called the police on him multiple times and struggle with him regularly but we are seeing improvements since her advice to us – “ he is care seeking” – he is crying out for you to show more love towards him, even if he’s not “as good as” his siblings.