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As in politics there is a far left, and a far right here.
My thoughts. They have to stay in a certain area. If they deviate to far from the bible (christian), in plain site. They will lose their power. So they can neither really strike out nor leave.
My question, what if lets say wicca was in majority control of the US and our allies? Or lets say atheist? Maybe satanist? How would the evangalist ,or what book, would keep them at least at face value? Are we sure we want the church to fall? Are we sure we know what holds back the hand of time?
I even here people talk of what the christian, or white man did to the American Indian. What if an islamic nation would have conquered them? You know the hadist would have made its way. Maybe a country with an emperor, somebody would had!!! Did you know that the indians here had been waring for land and commiting genocide on each other for yrs. before we came?
But really, I hear people all the time who have the right gun. Just really bad shots.
My thoughts. They have to stay in a certain area. If they deviate to far from the bible (christian), in plain site. They will lose their power. So they can neither really strike out nor leave.
My question, what if lets say wicca was in majority control of the US and our allies? Or lets say atheist? Maybe satanist? How would the evangalist ,or what book, would keep them at least at face value? Are we sure we want the church to fall? Are we sure we know what holds back the hand of time?
I even here people talk of what the christian, or white man did to the American Indian. What if an islamic nation would have conquered them? You know the hadist would have made its way. Maybe a country with an emperor, somebody would had!!! Did you know that the indians here had been waring for land and commiting genocide on each other for yrs. before we came?
But really, I hear people all the time who have the right gun. Just really bad shots.
No I wouldn't judge you to hell for your beliefs. I can only judge myself. And lol, this had nothing to do with her. But even still, if it was. True Christianity did not do any thing on those posts. Accept show alot of misunderstanding. That is the key I think, is for every one to realize he is their Jesus too. Defend him and move on. Just like Buddha is not Shman's but anyone who studies him. They all form a circle after all. And the center is where our heart should be.
Sorry for all the posts, I am in and out.
Westerners like to bash christianity because we have become a secular society, i dont believe in any single deity but i believe in human spirit, that is those elements which seperate us from the animals, such as intelligence, tool developement and love and compassion.
I do think youve missed the point about the native americans though, they may have killed each other before the colonies arrived but it is us that invaded their homeland and started killing the native population, these are ideals we have fought wars for since, you just dont have that right.
But it also wrong to apply todays mores and standards to the past, we never lived at that time, we've never really experienced the fear of going somewhere unknown and the attitudes of the day.
I hope i dont offend with this
She has more insight then most christians I have ever known and I can say that since I followed that religion until the age of 27 and also went to bible college.
Actually I'm finding it hard to put into words what this thread was meant to be. So I will just ride it a while. :-)
Garnish... you see religion as being used more for love than control today? Not sure what you mean I don't have a right. I was really just trying to point out that if the white man had not have come, the yellow man, or black man, or sand man would have done it. During the inqusition, would have been some other sect if not the catholic.
I mean we all have our beliefs right? We have one or more for some, groups that we tend to have learned the most from right? Well then in a group of people we see someone of this religion that we confess making an abortion out of the meaning and use of your teachings and beliefs. It keeps happening untill you are judged because of it. It forces you to go underground it gets so bad. Who in the end is responsible? And that person we have been made to become, is this not a truer meaning of the word Jesus? Is this not to follow him, to go beyond the cross. To pick it up, and die on it?
And I think our morals and fear of the unknown hasn't changed that much. But maybe the words have changed. But I hear ya and think I agree there.
Ya'll wish me what ever you do wish for peeps!! Cause I am signing off because of tornados and lightning!! :-/ It's pretty regular here! My avatar is from the last bunch!!
I didnt explain myself very well, i just meant as a broad spectrum no-one has the right to invade anothers lands and torment the native population, as a brit i feel guilty at the way my country has behaved in the past, yes at time we have been heroic but for the most part we've been quite nasty in underhanded as well as forceful means.
Its all just to seperate and create hatred, everytime a religion claims to be better than the rest in some way innocent people die, I sadly understand why leaders use religion as a tool of control, it works, more efficiently than any other propaganda
And, he was a pacifist (turn the other cheek and all that)
That is all it is for. It is for control. It really serves no other end. If all the money that was given to organized religion was used to feed the hungry and the needs of the suffering, there would be very little hunger or suffering on this planet. There is more religious hatred in this world than any other kind. I think we should burn all the, so called, holy books. Religion has been used as an excuse to kill millions of people, to have inquisitions, to have wars, to justify slavery, to beat your wife and children.
The belief in divine justice keeps people from creating justice, here and now. Instead, we work for slave wages and say we will have pie in the sky when we die. That is the lie that keeps the power over the masses and keeps down rebellion. All it really does is protect the greedy. We will say, "they will get their's". No they won't. They got yours, your brother's, your sister's, and your neighbors. It is a mind set created by and for the greedy. The only thing we really have is love for one another. Religion teaches that, but does not practice it.
Is that a good enough bash for you?