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I just had a good cry. I called the sheriff's office to report that he violated the PO. He has made several calls to my cell and house phone, which I did not answer nor return. No messages were left. Someone knocked on the door; I thought it might be the pastor, who has been stopping by to help with the car lately. No, him. He wanted to know if he could ask me a question. Not knowing what was coming, I let him ask (sure, I should close the door and tell him to go through the attorney, but then that will cost money I don't have and I have enough legal bills and absolutely no hope of anything resembling a settlement). He wants to know, AGAIN, if I will file bankruptcy with him. I told him before and I told him again, NO. He says he doesn't have a choice. I tell him yes you have, everything is about you. As soon as I started talking and talking sense, he drowned me out and assured me he "isn't coming back". What? All I want is something resembling a life. I darn well don't have any use for destructo - boy. I had a good job, a lot less debt and current references when I moved in here. I had a decent car (same one I had to buy when he took me to Court in 2001, claiming "she isn't visiting the kids". Of course, he never informed the Court the reason for that was no transportation and THAT resulted from being reamed by him in settlement.)
The officer gave me a choice whether I want it forwarded to the prosecutor's office. I said, yes. I am so sick of being told that everything he does is a "civil matter". He has robbed me, raped me, terrorized me (and our daughters), impersonated the mailman to try to get into my apt. bldg, refused to participate in mediation and made me out to be the blame for all. I know nothing will happen, but at least I did it. Had a hard therapy session today, because I FEEL LIKE everyone else is running around doing whatever the heck they want and I am the one being punished. It hit me a while back that his previous attorney was always threatening to have charges levied against me, including felonies (I have his letters still) because of my purported behavior (trying to get a PO in 2003. Why can't he be put in jail for not paying that judgment? I want out of here.
When he said that to me again about bankruptcy this evening, it was like rubbing my face in what I had talked about in therapy earlier .... all the work I have done ... I have nothing to show for it and he is pushing to have the next 7 - 10 years of my life messed up to some extent just because I had the misfortune to meet him and then, naively trust. And he has spent the last couple years screwing someone else's wife and is even now gambling.
Before that, he was spending up to $1000 month. I said some things I probably shouldn't have. But I will never get any other settlement from this travesty but that of telling him, to his face and the world, for all I care, that he used our kids for money ... collecting $1000 - $1500 a month, but refusing to take them for dental cleanings and checkups, doctor visits or immunizations. But no, he financed a car for $350 a month, which he can't do now, so I pointed that out and that it was our children's money he spent.
I also told him he does everything but f* fis mother. (He said, "how do you know I don't? etc" But I did not take that bait at least.) I do not normally talk like that, but I am sick and disgusted at having to deal with his mess while his mommy finances the continuation of it ... THERE IS NO WAY he could be continuing on and on without her financial support. His mother told me to my face in 1998 that I would have to "support him" for the rest of (his?my?) life ... what? That is NOT what I signed up for ... that is NOT marriage. He did not work a day we were together until shortly before we divorced 1st time ... 8 years. Before he closed our joint bank account, we had several thousand $$ saved, had a 15 year mortgage and maybe $1000 debt total. Now there is no money, bills galore and the mortgage? It stands at the same level as when we bought it. Plus the homeowner's insurance is now rated for the next few years because he claimed the fire ... and the big, whopping payoff check ($700) is sitting at the attorney's office, being squandered by legal fees. It was my stuff that was burned up, too, but he told me paid the premiums, so it's HIS money. Same with the $500 in insurance checks that were supposed to go to the therapist (so I can cope with his garbage) ... I had to pay the $500 and he is the reason I even have to go there ... he made $500 extra and I apparently have no recourse.
"Mr. Impressive" indeed. Guess I am sort of angry because his deranged nurse/girlfriend doesn't have anything of this to deal with, she is living with her husband (don't know what he is like, but she lied about him divorcing her, and supposedly he is abusive, but she is still there, so...), who has had a solid career job for 18 years. How did I end up here?? Please someone, wake me when it is over LOL.
And I flung it at him as he was leaving that the ONLY reason he's doing bankruptcy is to protect all the little gold coins he'll inherit from Mommy - no creditors will have a claim unless she dies before he gets it done. He claims all the little gold coins are gone, except for 1 or 2. Uh-huh. Like I am going to believe a liar ANYMORE.
I put words on my face on FB; people probably think I am weird. "Legally regulated hostage." I am not free to live my life; I said that to him too, as he tells me he's been living with "my decisions" for "long enough". No, THIS is SUPPOSED TO BE MY LIFE; the last two years have been nothing but limbo and stress. The only reason a marriage ultimately fails (got this from a prominent Chicago divorce attorney) is LACK OF COMMITMENT. We LIVE HERE because he NEVER made a commitment to the marriage; he thought he could play both sides; manage me and get his parents' property too. He doesn't even have a commitment to himself; he lives in bitterness because he couldn't become a commercial pilot. Oh, boohoo. I didn't get to have a decent marraige, which I wanted for myself and spouse, definitely to benefit our children. But I will not let that turn me into some kind of bitter nasty thing. What does he think he sounds like? Saying how his life was ruined because he didn't get to do that ... makes me and the kids seem like rotten mincemeat. Well, I do know that he is too self-centered to care. Or even realize what a total jerk he sounds like and IS.
When he filled out the papers in March 2000 and started threatening, I filed at the end of June and was OUT by October. No attorneys. I took little, trusting that I would have my "share" later but not willing to sabotage everything. I got a job, despite having undiagnosed PTSD. So poor little mama's boy, I have NOTHING but contempt for you and your pathetic excuses. And disgust for a pathetic excuse of a man, who runs away from wife and kids ... all the way next door to MOMMY. Wow; don't know how I managed to move 2000 miles from my relatives, but then I supported myself completely independently. Not something his mother or he has ever done. No they just bully, ridicule, lie and create false dramas, never batting an eye at the pain or destruction they cause.
I told my therapist today I am angry. I guess it shows. I do not know WHAT to do with this anger, but I know it is interfering with motivation, energy and all else. If anyone happens to read this utterly long rant, I'd be thankful for suggestions. Previously, I thought things would go at least halfway decently, I'd get out and pick up from there. Last year, I could have bought a modest but decent house. I have no idea what I am going to be able to do if and when this ends ... yes, I know it will. He is screwed up and the law is screwed up, too.
Thanks for letting me rant a bit.
Actually a lot.
The officer gave me a choice whether I want it forwarded to the prosecutor's office. I said, yes. I am so sick of being told that everything he does is a "civil matter". He has robbed me, raped me, terrorized me (and our daughters), impersonated the mailman to try to get into my apt. bldg, refused to participate in mediation and made me out to be the blame for all. I know nothing will happen, but at least I did it. Had a hard therapy session today, because I FEEL LIKE everyone else is running around doing whatever the heck they want and I am the one being punished. It hit me a while back that his previous attorney was always threatening to have charges levied against me, including felonies (I have his letters still) because of my purported behavior (trying to get a PO in 2003. Why can't he be put in jail for not paying that judgment? I want out of here.
When he said that to me again about bankruptcy this evening, it was like rubbing my face in what I had talked about in therapy earlier .... all the work I have done ... I have nothing to show for it and he is pushing to have the next 7 - 10 years of my life messed up to some extent just because I had the misfortune to meet him and then, naively trust. And he has spent the last couple years screwing someone else's wife and is even now gambling.
Before that, he was spending up to $1000 month. I said some things I probably shouldn't have. But I will never get any other settlement from this travesty but that of telling him, to his face and the world, for all I care, that he used our kids for money ... collecting $1000 - $1500 a month, but refusing to take them for dental cleanings and checkups, doctor visits or immunizations. But no, he financed a car for $350 a month, which he can't do now, so I pointed that out and that it was our children's money he spent.
I also told him he does everything but f* fis mother. (He said, "how do you know I don't? etc" But I did not take that bait at least.) I do not normally talk like that, but I am sick and disgusted at having to deal with his mess while his mommy finances the continuation of it ... THERE IS NO WAY he could be continuing on and on without her financial support. His mother told me to my face in 1998 that I would have to "support him" for the rest of (his?my?) life ... what? That is NOT what I signed up for ... that is NOT marriage. He did not work a day we were together until shortly before we divorced 1st time ... 8 years. Before he closed our joint bank account, we had several thousand $$ saved, had a 15 year mortgage and maybe $1000 debt total. Now there is no money, bills galore and the mortgage? It stands at the same level as when we bought it. Plus the homeowner's insurance is now rated for the next few years because he claimed the fire ... and the big, whopping payoff check ($700) is sitting at the attorney's office, being squandered by legal fees. It was my stuff that was burned up, too, but he told me paid the premiums, so it's HIS money. Same with the $500 in insurance checks that were supposed to go to the therapist (so I can cope with his garbage) ... I had to pay the $500 and he is the reason I even have to go there ... he made $500 extra and I apparently have no recourse.
"Mr. Impressive" indeed. Guess I am sort of angry because his deranged nurse/girlfriend doesn't have anything of this to deal with, she is living with her husband (don't know what he is like, but she lied about him divorcing her, and supposedly he is abusive, but she is still there, so...), who has had a solid career job for 18 years. How did I end up here?? Please someone, wake me when it is over LOL.
And I flung it at him as he was leaving that the ONLY reason he's doing bankruptcy is to protect all the little gold coins he'll inherit from Mommy - no creditors will have a claim unless she dies before he gets it done. He claims all the little gold coins are gone, except for 1 or 2. Uh-huh. Like I am going to believe a liar ANYMORE.
I put words on my face on FB; people probably think I am weird. "Legally regulated hostage." I am not free to live my life; I said that to him too, as he tells me he's been living with "my decisions" for "long enough". No, THIS is SUPPOSED TO BE MY LIFE; the last two years have been nothing but limbo and stress. The only reason a marriage ultimately fails (got this from a prominent Chicago divorce attorney) is LACK OF COMMITMENT. We LIVE HERE because he NEVER made a commitment to the marriage; he thought he could play both sides; manage me and get his parents' property too. He doesn't even have a commitment to himself; he lives in bitterness because he couldn't become a commercial pilot. Oh, boohoo. I didn't get to have a decent marraige, which I wanted for myself and spouse, definitely to benefit our children. But I will not let that turn me into some kind of bitter nasty thing. What does he think he sounds like? Saying how his life was ruined because he didn't get to do that ... makes me and the kids seem like rotten mincemeat. Well, I do know that he is too self-centered to care. Or even realize what a total jerk he sounds like and IS.
When he filled out the papers in March 2000 and started threatening, I filed at the end of June and was OUT by October. No attorneys. I took little, trusting that I would have my "share" later but not willing to sabotage everything. I got a job, despite having undiagnosed PTSD. So poor little mama's boy, I have NOTHING but contempt for you and your pathetic excuses. And disgust for a pathetic excuse of a man, who runs away from wife and kids ... all the way next door to MOMMY. Wow; don't know how I managed to move 2000 miles from my relatives, but then I supported myself completely independently. Not something his mother or he has ever done. No they just bully, ridicule, lie and create false dramas, never batting an eye at the pain or destruction they cause.
I told my therapist today I am angry. I guess it shows. I do not know WHAT to do with this anger, but I know it is interfering with motivation, energy and all else. If anyone happens to read this utterly long rant, I'd be thankful for suggestions. Previously, I thought things would go at least halfway decently, I'd get out and pick up from there. Last year, I could have bought a modest but decent house. I have no idea what I am going to be able to do if and when this ends ... yes, I know it will. He is screwed up and the law is screwed up, too.
Thanks for letting me rant a bit.
Actually a lot.
Second, I think I need to sleep on it to help with anything productive. I think it is good that you stood your ground and got the authorities involved.
and I am sorry that he got you to the point of passive aggressiveness. I hated it after mine did that to me. Like me yelling 'e-mail- into the phone yesterday (still not recd one) He wanted some attention - he got it. I hope you calm down, have a cup of tea (spiked if you drink) meditate with some bible study, tonight would be good for that and try and recenter.
You and the kids are not rotten mince meat! You are worth a whole lot more than he knows.
I remember what set me off, now.... it was when he asked me how close I was to "paying my bills down". I still don't even know how much our daughter's surgery is and I am going to apply for assistance with it; I haven't said a word to him because I don't have respect for him and because I really don't have any use for talking to him; it's a waste of time if I was to actually expect a result. So yeah, I laughed at him when he said that ... Our house would be nearly paid off if clown-boy wasn't leading the circus; I already did those calculations. I complained to Social Security back in 2003; they never even CHECKED ... I was paying for ALL their medical, dental and all, then was able to get them on State insurance ... I was the non-custodial NUTCASE ... he had more than enough from SS and I swallowed all that, too. Which of course caused me debt, but I was banking on things getting better, not having our lives blown up by a domestic terrorist when he needs more funds for fun and gambling.
I am calmer, but I have been stuffing this anger, I can really tell ... I'm actually more upset with the "helping people"; since I didn't hear back (again) about applying to get some work done on my car (so I can get a job without worry of breaking down middle of night 20 miles away), I called the DV agency director. Still no word. So I remain the toy and hostage of a bully for however long. Fun ... I don't want to turn into some monster myself ... I AM NOT WILLINGLY IN THIS SITUATION. It's pretty sad when the DV agency clients have to search out the available programs to keep from drowning. Maybe I should get a job there and then apply on my own behalf LOL
(So weird ... my ex-N called me twice tonight, saying he just has one question. I'm not taking the bait. I'm sure it's about how I feel about him. Maybe he's considering moving away.)
VERY, VERY GLAD FOR YOU. GIVE THAT BASTARD NO POWER IN YOUR LIFE. Even in arguing, but sometimes, you just gotta get it out of ya! BRAVO!!
My daughters RARELY even go next door anymore, if at all. Not like they are super friendly with me, but I realize they are going through a lot of confusion ... Their father riling them up and telling them mom has no right to be in HIS house, for example. No the judge just made that order why? That should really be helpful to them in their own future relationships. Way to go, dad figure and grandma figure ... set them up to accept abuse as a natural part of "love". ..things are a lot calmer and peaceful (just not happy) than when they were buying into his lies. Yay! for that; just sorry they are having to handle some hard and painful truths.
You do your best with the kids, and that's all you can do. Wishing you the best in this. Things can become quite different. I think we need to really shift, and then everything can shift. Hugs.
Good for you. Why should you jump into his sinking boat? You deserve to live in your house and you have paid in spades.
I don't know about you, but I know when I feel trapped I start yelling. I think you said you don't have transportation to get to work. Holy Lord. That would set me off the deep end. Any chance of getting an old Toyota or something that runs. They run forever. Do you have a Dove Center or someplace around for abused women? I know that where I live, people donate cars to the center and get a tax write off. Women get to use the cars until they can get on their feet.
You just need some type of transportation to get you over the hump and get your car fixed. Any chance of relatives helping?
So glad you told him off. Tell him you want his girlfriend's car if it's okay with her husband. I mean really, throw him off. Let him worry for a second if you think it's safe to say something like that without him going off the deep end. Tell him your boyfriend would like to meet his girlfriend and maybe they could mediate. Just say something off the wall. Everybody knows, you are NOT the crazy one so don't worry about being called crazy. Ask his mother for a car. His grandchildren can't be fed if you don't have a job. Just throw it back at them.
Glad you got PO.
Praying for you and your girls. Glad they don't go next door too much anymore.
Please take care of yourself.
Even when you are overwhelmed, angry, or depressed you still exhibit such wit that I can't help but laugh even as I cry for you and your situation.
"So poor little mama's boy, I have NOTHING but contempt for you and your pathetic excuses. And disgust for a pathetic excuse of a man, who runs away from wife and kids ... all the way next door to MOMMY. Wow"
Dadda, I love your style.
I know you have battled fiercely for so long.I understand that part of this is a justice issue . . . you have been terribly wronged and naturally want justice . . . but that does not seem to be even a possibility any more???? I know you hope to gain a small financial nestegg with which to move on in your life, but legal fees and his stupidity are eating away at that possibility????? Could there be any upside in going ahead with a joint bankruptcy??? Would that not end all contact with him??? And wipe away all debt??? I know you have a daughter who has health problems and needs your help; would a bankruptsy help or hinder you in aiding her???? Is the downside that you would have to move out of the house??? penniless!!! What other consequences are tied to this issue? What happens if you do file? What happens if you don't, but all this legal back and forth keeps happening and keeps diluting any financial resources that may exist? It just looks like a Lose-Lose situation. And if that is the case, I think I would just file with him and get it all overwith so that rebuilding can start. Even a women's shelter might be better than the emotional/mental hell you are dealing with now. I don't know how you manage to put your feet on the floor each morning. My heart goes out to you. Peace.
Hugs,
T.
Thank you, everyone for your responses. You help me keep my sanity in this world, which often makes absolutely no sense. And I appreciate it so very much.
I am going to repost from the article in a bit but here's the "short reply" for now.
"Targets of bullying have no interest in power or exercising power. They go to work to work and they are not interested in office politics or conflict. Targets of bullying have high moral values, a well-developed integrity, a vulnerability (eg need to pay the mortgage), a strong sense of fair play and reasonableness, a low propensity to violence, a reluctance to pursue grievance, disciplinary or legal action, a strong forgiving streak and a mature understanding of the need to resolve conflict with dialogue. Weak people disingenuously confuse these hallmarks of character with weakness. Targets of bullying will withstand daily abuse for months, often years, but the first time a bully gets a taste of their own medicine they immediately run whining to authority demanding protection. That's weakness."
Let him think I am weak or a fool ... live and learn ... eventually. Unless stupid, no cure for that.
I did contact the Dove Outreach (DV) agency; I was actually going to support meetings there til the car thing (it is about a 15 mile drive one-way). So far, no response. This is after ME locating the program on the state DV site, informing the advocate, calling her back when no word (and she only had some other, useless info), sending her an e-mail with the program page, no word. I left a message for the Director a couple days ago. So far, no word back??? I'm starting to become a bit disgusted; empowerment my butt ... and yes, I realize the economy isn't helping, but it doesn't take THAT long to make a quick call back or drop an application in the mail. Hopefully I can eat THESE words soon!
He can claim bankruptcy on his own. I may testify or protest, whatever the procedure is. This is TOTALLY unnecessary. He was willing to throw me out of the house with nothing?? Why should I do him any favors, 'specially since he still denies creating any financial mess and claims it is ALL "my" debt and fault. Dream on, bufu boy. Again, this is the guy who had enough income to pay ALL house bills and over, but also received $1000 - $1500 a month for 9- 10 YEARS extra (for our children), yet the mortgage is the same as when we bought this place, he has NO vehicle and I have one that cost over $25,000 (including comp/collision insurance) as a direct result of him refusing to give me back my paid for car and then taking me to Court, alleging I wasn't visiting our daughters. No, I just couldn't walk the whole 40 miles and no transport runs between where we were. So what happened to $156,000? Plus he intentionally shorted me on the first settlement, $10,000 just in home equity alone. I was forced under duress to sign a quit claim for $6,000. I had no money for any attorney, etc. Just trust that was betrayed.
I will be evaluating options. I'm not sure whether I want to meet with a bankruptcy attorney, because it's like divorce attorneys, most of them talk about no other options and they don't seem to be interested so much in long term outcome to the individual. So if anybody knows a good site or alternate referral, please let me know. I had gotten a job that paid (to start) $700 + benefits shortly before I moved back here, and have experience selling, etc from past, so I think if I can get beyond this, things will be a LOT better. Most jobs I've held I have received good to excellent references from and had offers of promotion or applied for better position and received. So I think I still might have some leftover potential LOL!
I found out (and have contacted appropriate agency; waiting for call back) about a state program that encourages low-income saving and money management knowledge. You have to take a class (I should do fine), they match $3 to every dollar you save up to $900 a year. Since the state apparently got my share of the marital estate through gambling, it's a start at their making things right, at least!
Quepasa: "I know you have battled fiercely for so long.I understand that part of this is a justice issue . . . you have been terribly wronged and naturally want justice . . . but that does not seem to be even a possibility any more????"
I will eventually have to tell the story of how I joined the Navy Reserve ... for the weekend. There is justice, but it is often a hard and long road and battle. Not everyone fighting on behalf of freedom wears a uniform and carries a gun, as I am sure you all know ...
but got this from one of my favorite sites:
(The person with psychiatric injury) is driven by the anger of injustice, looks
forward to each new day as an opportunity to fight for justice & refuses to be beaten,
they refuse to give up.
I don't feel like that every day, but on the days I do ... well, I hope to be a woman who ends up making the bad guys sorry we ever won suffrage rights!
Thank you all, very much! < Hugs to all! >
He answers questions for free on the radio. You can write him I think There is a space to type in your zip code and get a lawyer who he recommends.
Just a thought.
I will check out the attorney. I sometimes think I might have done well in law school (well enough for a degree anyway) because I have a good memory and I can see different perspectives.I am usually not afraid to speak up, especially on behalf of others, when a principle is at stake. After I get through my mess, I can probably use the information and experiences to help change things in at least small ways, with or without being an attorney. And I have had some successes in terms of appealing things in past on behalf of others, so I will be RARING TO GO!!
I told NH a while back that he is probably going to be so sorry he ever met me or sorry he ever let go - and I meant it.
Thanks for your support, everyone, it makes that "sorry" attitude and determination possible and real!!
I think you deserve it. Coming face to face with your ex - N was a lot.
You are very very funny. (I know, that was not the complete intent of your rant. To hear you could do divorcing an N stand up.) But you are very good with words. I really loved your FB status, I need to use that one myself. Wish I had thought it up!