Myasthenia Gravis Support Group
Myasthenia gravis (MG) is a neuromuscular disease leading to fluctuating muscle weakness and fatiguability. The hallmark of myasthenia gravis is muscle weakness that increases during periods of activity and improves after periods of rest. Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles that control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and...
bweeds
I am a reluctantly newly diagnosed, seronegative retired MD. The doctors have been reluctant, I have wanted to know what was going on. This is what I have learned over the past 30 years of symptomatology:
1. Doctors are human, don't we all know it. They like to see new patients in the morning when the doctor is fresh, but that is not the best time for us for diagnostic purposes, since we are too.
2. If you have eye troubles, try to see a neuro-opthamologist (when your eyes are tired). They see more people with myasthenia than most doctors and they don't have to worry about whether symptoms are the result of other organ systems i.e. heart and lung disease.
3. Doctors usual routine with new patients is "chief complaint" "present Illness" "medical and family history" "impression (differential diagnosis, hopefully)" Then there is the decision of testing and treatment. Make your chief complaint short and personal. ie : "I had to quit running marathons because I kept falling down" "It takes me four hours to do the dishes, because I have to stop and rest" "I'm scared to cross the street for fear I'll fall down or the light will change before I can make my feet move across" "I can't wink at the waiter without leering, because my eyelid won't open fast enough." Be ready with dates of notable symptoms, past efforts at diagnosis, and treatment failure. Also make that succint, The doctor will ask questions if more information is needed. The personal family history they are usually most interested in are heart/lung disease, kidney disease, allergies, diabetes, depression, arthritis. Sometimes neuromuscular diseases are left out in questionnaires--write them in. Unless it is a neuromuscular disease, don't bother with extended members of the family (anyone other than parents, children, siblings, and grandparents)--that is just a distraction and you want to get the routine over so there is time for questions.
4. Don't leave without a differential diagnosis. If it is "myasthenia or nothing", remind the doctor you are suffering and if it is not myasthenia what options do you have for the treatment of "nothing." (Hysteria and conversion reaction are treatable, too and certainly not "nothing.") Idiopathic anything just means the doctor doesn't know what is wrong-- it is not an acceptable diagnosis for an ongoing problem.
5. Doctors don't like to be wrong even more than most people since being wrong carries more repercussions. You may have to be tactful as well as assertive to get what you need. Although some doctors don't like second opinions, most good ones will welcome the input, so if there are problems, ask if there is someone you can see that may shed some more light on your difficulties.
6. If you are seronegative and symptom positive (for whatever the presumed diagnosis), ask if a trial of medication might be helpful in deciding what your problem is. It is sad to have experienced all the expensive tests over and over again when a 50 cent pill told the tale immediately.
7. I am unaware of any other illness with weakness that comes on unexpectedly and responds to rest and/or Mestinon. Ask.
8. Write down what you used to do and want to do now that symptoms preclude--reading problems, sitting at the table in the evening without props, sleep difficulties, etc. Specifics noted by family and friends and demonstrable findings such as calluses in odd places from propping yourself to do activities may help doctors diagnose our rare disease. This might be more useful in a letter if you have not been given adequate time for discussion.
I would like to know if those who are seronegative seem to have a different course of illness. For my father and myself, diagnosis seemed difficult because we never stopped trying to do strenuous activies most people our age avoid. We also seemed to have little warning about onset of weakness.
Thanks to all for being here for one another, I hope this is helpful.
B.
1. Doctors are human, don't we all know it. They like to see new patients in the morning when the doctor is fresh, but that is not the best time for us for diagnostic purposes, since we are too.
2. If you have eye troubles, try to see a neuro-opthamologist (when your eyes are tired). They see more people with myasthenia than most doctors and they don't have to worry about whether symptoms are the result of other organ systems i.e. heart and lung disease.
3. Doctors usual routine with new patients is "chief complaint" "present Illness" "medical and family history" "impression (differential diagnosis, hopefully)" Then there is the decision of testing and treatment. Make your chief complaint short and personal. ie : "I had to quit running marathons because I kept falling down" "It takes me four hours to do the dishes, because I have to stop and rest" "I'm scared to cross the street for fear I'll fall down or the light will change before I can make my feet move across" "I can't wink at the waiter without leering, because my eyelid won't open fast enough." Be ready with dates of notable symptoms, past efforts at diagnosis, and treatment failure. Also make that succint, The doctor will ask questions if more information is needed. The personal family history they are usually most interested in are heart/lung disease, kidney disease, allergies, diabetes, depression, arthritis. Sometimes neuromuscular diseases are left out in questionnaires--write them in. Unless it is a neuromuscular disease, don't bother with extended members of the family (anyone other than parents, children, siblings, and grandparents)--that is just a distraction and you want to get the routine over so there is time for questions.
4. Don't leave without a differential diagnosis. If it is "myasthenia or nothing", remind the doctor you are suffering and if it is not myasthenia what options do you have for the treatment of "nothing." (Hysteria and conversion reaction are treatable, too and certainly not "nothing.") Idiopathic anything just means the doctor doesn't know what is wrong-- it is not an acceptable diagnosis for an ongoing problem.
5. Doctors don't like to be wrong even more than most people since being wrong carries more repercussions. You may have to be tactful as well as assertive to get what you need. Although some doctors don't like second opinions, most good ones will welcome the input, so if there are problems, ask if there is someone you can see that may shed some more light on your difficulties.
6. If you are seronegative and symptom positive (for whatever the presumed diagnosis), ask if a trial of medication might be helpful in deciding what your problem is. It is sad to have experienced all the expensive tests over and over again when a 50 cent pill told the tale immediately.
7. I am unaware of any other illness with weakness that comes on unexpectedly and responds to rest and/or Mestinon. Ask.
8. Write down what you used to do and want to do now that symptoms preclude--reading problems, sitting at the table in the evening without props, sleep difficulties, etc. Specifics noted by family and friends and demonstrable findings such as calluses in odd places from propping yourself to do activities may help doctors diagnose our rare disease. This might be more useful in a letter if you have not been given adequate time for discussion.
I would like to know if those who are seronegative seem to have a different course of illness. For my father and myself, diagnosis seemed difficult because we never stopped trying to do strenuous activies most people our age avoid. We also seemed to have little warning about onset of weakness.
Thanks to all for being here for one another, I hope this is helpful.
B.
I am in the diagnosis phase and am scheduled to see a Neurologist for the first time on the 24th of this month! Your information is very insightful and will really assist me in working with my new doctor to get the care that I am needing!
This is a great place to receive information and support... WELCOME!!!
Thank you for this insightful glimpse of the other side of the coin. It is very frustrating to deal with doctors but it has to also be frustrating for doctors to deal with trying to diagnose a disease such as MG. I have been diagnosed for a year now and your suggestions are valid for all of us. I see my neuro next week to discuss the course of treatment and options and I will keep your post in mind.
I am seronegative and I don't know if the course of my illness is different since they all seem so similar but different. I had a thymectomy last August and am currently taking timespan at night, 60mg mestinon every 4 hours during the day, and IVIG every 4 weeks. My symptoms do not seem well controlled and I have symptoms, both bulbar and general, every day. IVIG does seem to help the mestinon work better.
Welcome to our group of reluctant MGers. You should fit right in. :-)
Cathi
Glad you found this group as they are an invaluable source of information and support. I am AChR positive (w/thymoma) but will be glad to help in any way I can.
Thank you for for insightful tips from "the other side".....very helpful.
Wishing you the best,
sherry from texas
The only other illness that responds to mestinon is curare poisoning! (I'm not even sure it works, but the precursor, physostigmine, is the curare antidote).
I would add that as myasthenia patients, we have to do a lot of educating, and this is a good thing.
When I was diagnosed I had groups of doctors coming over to see me and ask questions, and I would run through a set of myasthenic "tricks" for then (Coogan's Twitch, etc.). This is important for the future MGer down the road -- imagine how that doctor will react, years from now, when some poor soul drags into their office with MG and the doctor, because of your help, is able to quickly diagnose it and offer treatment.
Thanks and hugs to you all.
I went into major crisis 2x before receiving help and when I finally received help, the doctors finally stopped asking the question about anxiety and possible conversion disorder since they had no choice. I could have died so they had to try something. My positive response to IVIG was so undeniable (with breathing, swallowing, and walking all severely impaired) that they changed their thinking.
My teenage daughter was just diagnosed 2 months ago, also with seronegative MG. If I didn't have MG myself and wasn't advocating for her, they would still be scratching their heads. I keep hearing that MG is "not particularly hereditary" but her testing (both blood and NCS/SFEMG) were all the same as mine--negative. Was it like that for you and your father? Everyone is wondering about how this could have happened twice in one family.
Thank you for joining the group and adding your 'voice.'
debra
I am so sorry you had to have a major crisis to get the help you needed. Both my dad and I were diagnosed first by a neuro opthamologist. My dad developed his MG late in life and took a rapidly progressive course (75-87). I have been symptomatic since the 80's, but with a very slow progression. We were both seronegative, both extremely strong from childhood, both extremely active (I played basketball in high school at 5'2", the only sport for girls at that time). Both of us have had sudden weakness. Dad had any number of falls without warning. Dad's sister had a neuromuscular disease originating in childhood that may have been myasthenia and died at 45. My understanding of the hereditary factor is this: Myasthenia is not inherited in a straightforward manner like cystic fibrosis or Huntington's chorea, but the tendency to develop the disease is. Statistically it is more common in families and that is being researched at present. The harder they look, the more families they find, but the disease is so rare even in first degree relatives of those with myasthenia that for many years it was thought to be no more likely for a member of the family to have the disease than it is for someone in the general population. I think Dad's SFEMG was negative, as well as mine. However both of us were thought not to have MG at the time of testing and my "drop offs" were attributed to losing the "nerve." So I have been wondering if this rapid drop of function is uncommon in myasthenia in general and might be an additional impediment to being diagnosed on exam and EMG, and contribute to a reluctance to treat. I read online that some seronegative people have demanded psychiatric referral which has resulted in treatment for MG. A referral to the psychiatrist usually requires positive psychiatric findings, not just lack of understanding of patient's symptoms!
I have autoimmune disease on both sides of my family; and although one of my three brothers had post streptococcal kidney disease as a child, no other sib has MG. So I am optimistic that my children and grandchildren will not develop MG, since my husband and theirs have no family tendency toward any kind of allergy.
I know we are trying to be nice and upbeat, but some of you are really brave, facing incredible obstacles. Hang in there.
Welcome to the group. You will be a positive addition, with your medical knowledge and insight. I'm curious, did you retire due to mg? You said you have had symptoms for years, was it difficult to work and have a family ?
Thank you for sharing.....very helpful!
Judith
I have a kitty, too.
Fortunately my MG was very slow in onset. if I had the double vision of the past several years and the trouble with inclines and unexpected severe weakness, it would have made a difference. Treatment might have helped as it does now. To answer your other question, I think it is always difficult to have an outside job and raise children, myasthenia or no. ;-) I can't imagine how some of you manage.
B.
B.
And to answer your original query, yes, I have had very little warning about sudden weakness. The thing that I have gotten better about is knowing some things that tend to bring it on: walking too far, IVIG treatment, and alcohol.
I used to work out and then have to crawl up the stairs and sit in the shower I was so exhausted and I didn't think that was too odd, lol. I just thought I had overdone it. So I do know what you mean about strenuous activities....that being said, I am way too easily fatigued to even work out these days.
I receive 25 grams of IVIG for 5 days every 21 days and had my massive thymus removed in November of last year.
Sorry to hear about your sister. Did she die from complications of the disease? How is your breathing?
debra
It was my Dad's sister and cause of death was unknown, but she had been severely ill with her neuromuscular disease and extremely dependent on her mother who died three days before her. I was startled by a picture taken of me (before meds, in the evening, when I was really tired) to see how much I looked like my aunt. ( ?myasthenia snarl when smiling) So perhaps that was the diagnosis for her as well. I know my smile muscles felt unused when I started the mestinon and I smile a lot.
When I was hiking, I had problems with being out of breath, after my legs started feeling rubbery. My last respiratory infection scared me and, along with the heat problems of last summer, led me to travel to my Dad's doc, who let me leave without medication and only responded when I sent a letter two months later asking for treatment if it would help me with things like sitting at the table at suppertime without propping and other things people take for granted that I couldn't do any longer. He put me on a rather small dose of Mestinon 30-60 mg three times a day, but I am doing pretty well having adjusted it to 30 mg every three hours during the day.
I had been crawling up steps for an age and considering it just normal energy saving! lol
B.
My husband heard me laughing--he had never seen me crawling up the stairs since of course I was only doing it in the evening. Why would I let him see me doing anything so undignified? He suggested I change bweeds to "nightcrawler."
B