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tarabunnyears
Rejoice with me. For 10 years, I have lost my career, lost much of my vision, my life, spasticity so bad I scream in pain, Numbness, tingling, headache, burning sensations, cobweb feelings, weakness, swallowing problems, speech issues, cognitive issues.
And now, I don't have MS.
My MS specialist left.
So, I need a new neuro. We have no MS doctors around here. I saw my new neuro today.
He walked in, said his name and said I did not have multiple sclerosis.
He said, I did not present properly, that lesions on the brain is not a way to diagnose MS. That 50% of the population have lesions. That having 20 lesions means nothing, he has seen people with a lot more and not have MS.
I had a negative spinal tap 11 years ago when 1st dx and the neuro at the time said that in 10% of the population they never have a positive spinal, that it is not a definitive rule.
She based her diagnoses on my symptoms, evoked response and symptoms.
The new dr said that "Dr. ______" was not a real MS specialist, she just treated mostly MS patients and did trial studies, that she was not trained in mS. That he has already, in the last 4 months, sent 5 patients out of his office that she diagnosed with MS and sent them out saying they did not have it.
He said I had sleep apnea... just by looking at my throat. He said I snored a lot. I said no, my husband says I never snore except when I have a cold. He got upset and said I had a big neck and no breathing way... thus sleep apnea. I said I was tested twice in a sleep study... and it did not show up.
He is a neurologist.... whose specialty is sleep disorders.
I love how doctors will give you the disease they specialize in.
So, he ordered another spinal tap. If it is negative them I do NOT have MS.
He was writing a prescription for Copaxone. I said, why... if i don't have MS.. lets wait and see what the test results say.
he said i am NOT to stop taking the Copaxone, If I do, i could relapse.
Uh, how can I relapse if I don;t have MS?
Well... he said, I have a 50/50 chance of having it.
So... what if the test is negative. What then?
then you don't have MS he said. So, what do I do, i cannot live like this, He said if it was negative then he would have to refer me to the Cleveland clinic to an MS specialist.
Uh... why send me to an MS specialist if you are so positive I don't have MS?
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so stressed and frustrated.
For 10 years 2 neuros and about 7 radiologist who read my MRI indicated MS.... and now this crap.
I just want help. A dr to give me treatment... and I end up with a dr whose sole goal is to find an many patients of my old drs and find her diagnosis wrong. Like a vendetta or something. He never asked me once about my symptoms except my optic neuritis. That is all he cared about. Would not let me speak of all the other issues.
I am ready to quit.
And now, I don't have MS.
My MS specialist left.
So, I need a new neuro. We have no MS doctors around here. I saw my new neuro today.
He walked in, said his name and said I did not have multiple sclerosis.
He said, I did not present properly, that lesions on the brain is not a way to diagnose MS. That 50% of the population have lesions. That having 20 lesions means nothing, he has seen people with a lot more and not have MS.
I had a negative spinal tap 11 years ago when 1st dx and the neuro at the time said that in 10% of the population they never have a positive spinal, that it is not a definitive rule.
She based her diagnoses on my symptoms, evoked response and symptoms.
The new dr said that "Dr. ______" was not a real MS specialist, she just treated mostly MS patients and did trial studies, that she was not trained in mS. That he has already, in the last 4 months, sent 5 patients out of his office that she diagnosed with MS and sent them out saying they did not have it.
He said I had sleep apnea... just by looking at my throat. He said I snored a lot. I said no, my husband says I never snore except when I have a cold. He got upset and said I had a big neck and no breathing way... thus sleep apnea. I said I was tested twice in a sleep study... and it did not show up.
He is a neurologist.... whose specialty is sleep disorders.
I love how doctors will give you the disease they specialize in.
So, he ordered another spinal tap. If it is negative them I do NOT have MS.
He was writing a prescription for Copaxone. I said, why... if i don't have MS.. lets wait and see what the test results say.
he said i am NOT to stop taking the Copaxone, If I do, i could relapse.
Uh, how can I relapse if I don;t have MS?
Well... he said, I have a 50/50 chance of having it.
So... what if the test is negative. What then?
then you don't have MS he said. So, what do I do, i cannot live like this, He said if it was negative then he would have to refer me to the Cleveland clinic to an MS specialist.
Uh... why send me to an MS specialist if you are so positive I don't have MS?
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so stressed and frustrated.
For 10 years 2 neuros and about 7 radiologist who read my MRI indicated MS.... and now this crap.
I just want help. A dr to give me treatment... and I end up with a dr whose sole goal is to find an many patients of my old drs and find her diagnosis wrong. Like a vendetta or something. He never asked me once about my symptoms except my optic neuritis. That is all he cared about. Would not let me speak of all the other issues.
I am ready to quit.
Sleep apnea can be determined by a sleep study. There are still some money hungry docs out there who depend on procedures to make their bucks. Office visits might buy the babies milk but not the wife's BMW.
I was told the only definitive way to make the diagnosis was by autopsy or biopsy. Neither for me would be preferred.
I too would run, not walk, from this neuro. You do not need to be treated this way. If he was truly concerned that your diagnosis was incorrect, he would have kept his mouth shut until after a very thorough neuro exam and additional testing.
I agree that it seems he wants more than anything to prove your old neuro wrong. That is not the kind of doctor you want treating you.
Best of luck....please keep us posted.
I never had to have a spinal tap. I had optic neuritis and an MRI and it was never questioned whether I had MS or not. Never had to prove my MS with a second relapse or new symptoms.
Don't ever quit... you know what you know. Don't let these untrained doctors tell you otherwise.
I'm sorry you are going through this. I know that your journey to a dx has been a very bumpy road and a frustrating one at that. And then to have all of this happen to you...my heart goes out to you. Don't give up whatever you do. Keep us posted. Many hugs to you!
i got sick at 15: woke up one day with what i now know is called the hug, grey vision, and the inability to walk. my poor parents took me to see a ridiculous amount of docs (i lost count) who tested me for everything but ms...
every doc eventually gets this look and says, maybe it's ms. then they tell me to wait (i'm now on my 5th major relapse and have been ill this time since may with ever worsening symptoms) or call me hysterical...
i had one neuro, not an ms specialist, who told me my symptoms were all over the place so it must be in my head (hmmm trademark of ms, anyone?)
i had another neuro who told me i was too young for this (again, ms is called the prime of life disease for a reason, right?)
then i saw an actual ms specialist who gave me an mri after barely paying attention during my neurological exam, showed me three lesions on the mri and literally said "come back when you get sicker" as if having to learn to do things with my left hand because my right hand doesn't work, randomly losing vision, having excruciating pain... etc wasn't "sick enough"
ms is scary (duh, right?) and this man sounds unconscionable to deny an ms specialists (your description of her, despite his take, points that way) who has been managing your disease... to jerk your emtions around, call your doc and you stupid, and ignore your symptoms, yeah i'm with easy... run!
i'm just glad you (and hopefully the others he has defrauded) are smart and strong enough to question him. i have a tendency to lick my wounds and hide from docs... i'm learning to fight for my health and my sanity.
you are in my thoughts
cheers
**I smell life-changing malpractice lawsuit money! =8^D Hey, if this guy's a doctor, then I'm a lawyer...I'll represent you, I'll only charge 10%, cuz I like ya** ;)
Best Regards,
Figureitout, attorney at law....
I am still angry, but my feeling of despair and wanting to just quit has passed. I am not focusing on it right now, but in a week I will formulate a plan of attack and get started on getting into the Cleveland clinic.
But for the next week, I have a 3 year old having surgery, so all my energy will be focused on her.
Then the next week, I will be seeing a GI about my pancreatitis. I think I need some more stress in my life. :P
Thanks everyone for you advice, support and input.