Migraine Headaches Support Group
Migraine is a neurological disease, of which the most common symptom is an intense and disabling episodic headache. Migraine headaches are usually characterized by severe pain on one or both sides of the head and are often accompanied by photophobia (hypersensitivity to light), phonophobia (hypersensitivity to sound) and nausea.
kingtreerat
Refractory Chronic Persistent Migraine. (Refractory means it doesn't respond to treatments)
Started: Oct 17th, 2010
Stopped: Never.
tl;dr at the end (the help part)
Over 4 years of dealing with this migraine. I've come to terms with it. We coexist and I have accepted that it will never go away. I am doing less and less each month, as the cycle of "do nothing to make it worse" and "now it takes less to make it worse" spiral down.
I am currently on nothing for pain. Well, nothing prescribed. I take an obscene amount of advil, tylenol, and asprin each and every day. (Its a race to see which of my internal organs I can kill off first, sadly). I do this as they help to keep me out of the ER for the migraine and they also somewhat help with my other "side effects". The major one of these side effects is that I have developed fibromyalgia (pain everywhere, similar to how you feel with a really bad flu - fm is the only description available). I do not take anything else. In fact, non-pain related narcotics (and alcohol) make my head quite a bit worse so I avoid them like the plague.
My migraine is bad enough that I joyfully accepted brain surgery to remove a subarachnoid cyst - the only things anyone could find "wrong" with me. This is only the 2nd surgery I have ever had, my tonsils being taken out 35 years ago being the first. I do not ever recommend this surgery fyi.
My main issue:
Every doctor, clinic, specialist, nurse, everyone have seen over the past 4 years and 4 months has two things in common:
1) Each one of them believes another doctor / clinic should be dealing with my pain, workability, and general treatment. My neurologist only wants to see me once a year and says my Family Dr should be medicating me for the myalgia and doing workability reports. My Family Dr says a pain clinic should be treating me (they always point out that a pain clinic's function is pain management after all). The pain clinic says either my Neurologist or my Family Dr should be medicating me and doing paperwork, as all they do is injections and PT and neither has any effect on myalgic pain.
2) Each and every one of the people I have seen has given up on me. They have each said in no uncertain terms that they have nothing more to offer me. While this is true in terms of the migraine, (if you can think of it, I've probably tried it) this is not true of the side effects. I have been treated for these. The treatments have been moderately successful and yet each and every time, the person responsible for the treatment declines to continue it for "reasons" or instead turns and blames the treatment for the condition it is treating. I have never had relief for more than 4 months at a time from these - usually there is almost a year between breaks.
I live a little over an hour north of Minneapolis. Since I am not working, going to any clinic more than an hour away becomes a real hardship when they want to see me more than once a month. However, I have exhausted every pain clinic, within 80 minutes of my house. I have seen countless neurologists and cannot see any new ones as they flat out refuse to see me if I am "under the care of another neurologist". I have been to every major clinic in my area for family doctors at one point or another over the past 4 1/3rd years and have now run into the point where doctors are flat out refusing to see me after getting ahold of my medical records. This is a very special treat when you think you might have an ear infection but cannot get an appointment with a Dr because you have an untreatable migraine. To the urgent care!
I am not a drug seeker. In fact, I have taken myself off of many of the insanely addictive meds that I have been put on in the past due to the doctor prescribing said medication trying to shame me for taking it in the first place. I have gone months and months with 0 addictive prescriptions. I have never asked to have one refilled early. I have never failed any drug test I have been given. I have told doctors that I do not want certain meds prescribed ever again as they were WAY worse for my head (morphine was a big one). When asked what I would like to have prescribed by any doctor, I always leave the choice to them and I tell them I will try anything they feel will be effective if I haven't had it already with no positive effects.
What I need help with is this: (tl;dr for those who didn't want to read my ramblings above)
What in the holy heck do you do when there is no one left who will treat you? Especially when you are still fighting with SSDI and they want to see you going to a doctor on a regular basis for treatment?
What do you do when every doctor has absolved themselves of responsibility for you and it reflects in your medical records?
Example: I had one family doctor note in my file that the migraine is present every day. but he doesn't see any reason why I can't work, as I would only be unable to work when the migraine is affecting me. ... what?
Example 2: I have noticed memory issues since 2012. I have mentioned this on every visit to every doctor since then. Each time, the doctor blows it off as unimportant / related to the current meds / due to my pain, and so it has never appeared in my medical records.
What do you do when there are simply no other choices left to you in terms of treatment?
There are very few pain clinics, even in Minneapolis, and of all of them, I went to the only one that offers something other than injections and PT. I have also been to the one that specializes entirely in headaches. They ran out of ideas within 5 months and I cut our relationship short when they began pressuring me (such a nice way of putting it - they were trying to bully me) to try treatments that were not only ineffective in the past, but also had horrible side effects for me.
What do you do when it seems like the entire medical community has given up on you and you are just tired of hearing "learn to live with it"?
I am not looking for sympathy, or pity here. I really genuinely hope that someone out there has run into this and has overcome it and can help direct me.
Thank you for any and all answers.
Started: Oct 17th, 2010
Stopped: Never.
tl;dr at the end (the help part)
Over 4 years of dealing with this migraine. I've come to terms with it. We coexist and I have accepted that it will never go away. I am doing less and less each month, as the cycle of "do nothing to make it worse" and "now it takes less to make it worse" spiral down.
I am currently on nothing for pain. Well, nothing prescribed. I take an obscene amount of advil, tylenol, and asprin each and every day. (Its a race to see which of my internal organs I can kill off first, sadly). I do this as they help to keep me out of the ER for the migraine and they also somewhat help with my other "side effects". The major one of these side effects is that I have developed fibromyalgia (pain everywhere, similar to how you feel with a really bad flu - fm is the only description available). I do not take anything else. In fact, non-pain related narcotics (and alcohol) make my head quite a bit worse so I avoid them like the plague.
My migraine is bad enough that I joyfully accepted brain surgery to remove a subarachnoid cyst - the only things anyone could find "wrong" with me. This is only the 2nd surgery I have ever had, my tonsils being taken out 35 years ago being the first. I do not ever recommend this surgery fyi.
My main issue:
Every doctor, clinic, specialist, nurse, everyone have seen over the past 4 years and 4 months has two things in common:
1) Each one of them believes another doctor / clinic should be dealing with my pain, workability, and general treatment. My neurologist only wants to see me once a year and says my Family Dr should be medicating me for the myalgia and doing workability reports. My Family Dr says a pain clinic should be treating me (they always point out that a pain clinic's function is pain management after all). The pain clinic says either my Neurologist or my Family Dr should be medicating me and doing paperwork, as all they do is injections and PT and neither has any effect on myalgic pain.
2) Each and every one of the people I have seen has given up on me. They have each said in no uncertain terms that they have nothing more to offer me. While this is true in terms of the migraine, (if you can think of it, I've probably tried it) this is not true of the side effects. I have been treated for these. The treatments have been moderately successful and yet each and every time, the person responsible for the treatment declines to continue it for "reasons" or instead turns and blames the treatment for the condition it is treating. I have never had relief for more than 4 months at a time from these - usually there is almost a year between breaks.
I live a little over an hour north of Minneapolis. Since I am not working, going to any clinic more than an hour away becomes a real hardship when they want to see me more than once a month. However, I have exhausted every pain clinic, within 80 minutes of my house. I have seen countless neurologists and cannot see any new ones as they flat out refuse to see me if I am "under the care of another neurologist". I have been to every major clinic in my area for family doctors at one point or another over the past 4 1/3rd years and have now run into the point where doctors are flat out refusing to see me after getting ahold of my medical records. This is a very special treat when you think you might have an ear infection but cannot get an appointment with a Dr because you have an untreatable migraine. To the urgent care!
I am not a drug seeker. In fact, I have taken myself off of many of the insanely addictive meds that I have been put on in the past due to the doctor prescribing said medication trying to shame me for taking it in the first place. I have gone months and months with 0 addictive prescriptions. I have never asked to have one refilled early. I have never failed any drug test I have been given. I have told doctors that I do not want certain meds prescribed ever again as they were WAY worse for my head (morphine was a big one). When asked what I would like to have prescribed by any doctor, I always leave the choice to them and I tell them I will try anything they feel will be effective if I haven't had it already with no positive effects.
What I need help with is this: (tl;dr for those who didn't want to read my ramblings above)
What in the holy heck do you do when there is no one left who will treat you? Especially when you are still fighting with SSDI and they want to see you going to a doctor on a regular basis for treatment?
What do you do when every doctor has absolved themselves of responsibility for you and it reflects in your medical records?
Example: I had one family doctor note in my file that the migraine is present every day. but he doesn't see any reason why I can't work, as I would only be unable to work when the migraine is affecting me. ... what?
Example 2: I have noticed memory issues since 2012. I have mentioned this on every visit to every doctor since then. Each time, the doctor blows it off as unimportant / related to the current meds / due to my pain, and so it has never appeared in my medical records.
What do you do when there are simply no other choices left to you in terms of treatment?
There are very few pain clinics, even in Minneapolis, and of all of them, I went to the only one that offers something other than injections and PT. I have also been to the one that specializes entirely in headaches. They ran out of ideas within 5 months and I cut our relationship short when they began pressuring me (such a nice way of putting it - they were trying to bully me) to try treatments that were not only ineffective in the past, but also had horrible side effects for me.
What do you do when it seems like the entire medical community has given up on you and you are just tired of hearing "learn to live with it"?
I am not looking for sympathy, or pity here. I really genuinely hope that someone out there has run into this and has overcome it and can help direct me.
Thank you for any and all answers.
Once they are found, emailing all Neurologists and asking if they will review a copy of your file.
Being in the medical field, I cannot imagine (I apologize if I appear rash here) that NO ONE has ever experienced a migraine headache lasting this long.
WHEN you find a Neuro willing to find you, you will have to decide if you are willing to travel for this eval and continued treatment. This may require ongoing treatment, a move closer to this neuro and maybe even a primary care doctor that has a better bedside manner (there are some out there. Mine is one of them.)
I wish you the best. I have had migraines really bad on and off for 6 months. I cannot imagine having them for 4+ years. You are in my thoughts. Please let us know how things turn out.
Carol
I live in a city where there are very limited options for medical choice. Most are either part of one of two major medical groups. While this is quite handy for not having to lug your medical records from one doc to the next, it makes for the situation where you have one very large clinic with multiple locations. Private practices are all but extinct here, and none accepts my insurance.
It seems to me that the doctors want me to get treatment for my "side effects" from the same person who is supposed to be treating my migraine. My migraine by definition is untreatable, so headache / migraine specialists won't see me.
Thus we enter a vicious loop of doctor A saying doctor B should treat. Doctor B saying doctor C should treat. Doctor C saying doctors A or B should treat. And a general consensus that I should be seeing the elusive doctor X - the one who is a specialist in every complaint I have.
My records have been sent to the Mayo clinic several times for consultation. In regards to the migraine, they have refused even an appointment, stating there is nothing they can do for me. I am currently waiting a call from their rheumatology department from a referral (who is reviewing my "all over pain") to see if that department is even willing to give me an appointment. I can assure they will not. I have been chasing a Rhum appt for 6 months now. I have called every rhum clinic in my provider list within 100 miles of my home, and have been told the same thing by each of them: We do not treat "all over pain" - that is something your family doctor should be treating.
I really don't mean to sound defeatist or pessimistic, I am just trying to relate how ridiculous and frustrating my situation here is. I am at a total loss how to proceed within the confines of what I can realistically do. My migraine is not treatable. I can accept that. The rest of this stuff is, and I just feel like the whole system is to screwed up to notice.
And yes, I did have to go to urgent care for my ear. No ear infection, just extreme sensitivity because of my constant pain.
Maybe this could help reduce symptoms enough that medications
could be effective.
Be Well !
nippper
This is the endless cycle I am now trapped in. A wants b to treat, B wants C to treat. C wants A or B to treat. And I am just passed back and forth with no one treating me and as time goes on, more and more clinics (of any type) decline to even see me (at least saving me the initial trip).
History: my pain makes me very cranky. I have zero patience when in pain and I have used anti-depressants to counter this. They are never fully effective, and most have had some seriously negative side effects (No Dr, it is not OK if I sleep 18 hours a day and am exhausted the other 6...) but my last Dr decided to scribe welbutrin, the first one I was given, which didn't work. I told him this, but he just didn't care and scribed it anyways.
Because of this, I am now a very angry patient, and I have had it with being treated like a burden to be cast on someone else.
I have acquired a new mission for myself. Part 1 is that I have stopped taking all of the over the counter pain meds (leaving me in lovely lovely debilitating pain 90% of the time) and have cut caffeine out of my system entirely. This leaves me with sleep alone as a way to manage my pain.
I have done this for one reason only - to give the Drs one less excuse when I go see them. I have done this before, stopped taking everything to prove to them that no, it is not rebound headaches and that yes, I really do need to be treated. I have also done this because every doctor says I shouldn't be taking handfuls of OTC meds (rightfully so!), but hasn't offered any alternative.
Part 2 of this plan only really works because of the closed nature of the medical system where i live. the vast majority of the medical care here falls under the heading of Health Partners (maybe 15%) and CentraCare Sytems (80%+). I am going to use this to my advantage. I am now requiring Drs that refuse to treat me to make a notation in my medical records stating clearly that they will not in fact treat me, and who they think "should" be treating me. I am also "Doc hopping" primary care physicians until i find one who will treat me, or at least who isn't an idiot (saying things like "I know the pain clinic sent you here, but I am going to send you back").
In part 3, once I have exhausted the limited supply of Primary Care docs here, (waiting 6 weeks between visits because that is the "first available" appt) I plan on gathering my records, assembling a nice, polite, carefully worded letter with all relevant medical records included and pestering the holy heck out of upper management until I irritate them to the point where they are forced to at least deal with me instead of pawning me off on another division of their own system.
It is not a great plan, but honestly, I can't see any other method for getting treatment.
If anyone has any other ideas, I am welcome to hear them ^.^
Update on Mayo - After declining to see me for a rheumatology visit and referring me to their pain clinic, I contacted their pain clinic to see what they would say. The Mayo's pain clinic has declined to treat me, saying that they feel it is something my Neurologist and Primary Care Physician should coordinate.
Re: Foods, allergies, so on and so forth.
having had migraines since age 8, I have tried pretty much everything that a normal doctor could think of, and a few that I dug up myself (Indomethacin for example). I do not have any food allergies, weather triggers, or anything like that. In the past, I kept my migraines down to about 2-3 a month with the following:
regular sleep schedule
a consistent, healthy-ish diet (Can't eat McDonald's 3 days in a row for example)
and lowing my stress as much as possible
those were the only three things I have ever found over the past 21 years that have helped in any meaningful way.
I have found a number of things that can add to the pain, or make it worse, but that doesn't mean they are triggers. As I explained to my Chiro once when we were experimenting on fixing this current migraine, if i shoot you in the leg, and then jam my thumb into the wound, i can make it (the pain) worse, but that doesn't mean that my thumb is the cause of your pain, or even a "trigger".
I also have a Chiari Malformation and had surgery in 2009, hoping that it would "fix" the headaches. Unfortunately, it didn't. It made the migraines worse.
At least have a TEE done and see if you have a PFO. The test is very easy.