Liars Anonymous Community Group
A support group to provide those with a compulsive addiction to lie a place to share hope, strength and courage with others like them; solve our common problem and help others with a compulsion to lie. We aren't alone!
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I know I'm a liar, and I've lied as far back as I can remember. I've lost friends, got into trouble at work, family mad at me, and even lost relationships over the years because of this. What finally made me really truly realize how bad it was, is that I had just lost the one woman that I thought was my soul mate, she even said to me several times that she felt we were. We have so much in common even down to little minute details. It is really unbelievable. We've had our issues like all couples do, but one issue that she finally gave up on was my lying. I know she put up with it alot from me, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't stop. I lied to her about my past relationships and bad decisions that I made. Many things I wasn't proud of. I lied about people that I had been with. I've lied about flirting with other girls even though it was harmless. I lied to her about running into my ex several times around town and talking to her or even running into my ex's father and talking to him. Just so many stupid things that seriously probably weren't a big deal if I had told her the truth. After a long period of time stuff slowely came out whether me telling her bits and pieces or her finding out anyways.
But the worst thing was probably confiding in another female about our relationship problems. I didn't seek this other female out, she was new at my workplace and she came up to me one day and said that she noticed that I had seem like something was bothering me for the past week, and at first I didn't want to talk about it, but she was persistent and said it helps to talk about things. So I started talking to her, but then I started hanging out with her during lunch breaks and talking to her about issues, and just talking as friends. We went and grabbed a bit to eat twice, and even left the store parking lot just to get away from work. I know it looks bad. This went on for about a month and then she confessed she liked me from the very first time she saw me, and told me that I should break up with my gf and be with her. I told her that I couldn't because I do love my gf and that I saw her as a friend. She asked once if I thought there could ever be a me and her, and I said someday under different circumstancee (I actually never intended on it anyways, I lied because I appreciated talking to her and didn't want to lose that). I shouldn't have said that, it was a huge mistake. We did hug a few times, dumb I know. The girl kept pushing and getting really annoying and crazy. One day my gf came into my work and was shopping and this friend treated her like crap as if she hated her. So my gf knew something was up. I told her that this girl likes me and is being kind of crazy, and that I don't really talk to her. When I should have told her about it, but I didn't. I tried to pass it off that I had nothing to do with it. Needless to say I told this friend that me and her needed to talk. So when we had a chance to talk I told her that I couldn't be friends with her anymore and the whole thing was wrong, so she then put her hand on my crotch and tried to kiss me. I turned my head before and I was mad at her. I walked away and the next day I went to lunch and she followed me down the road, while I was walking and she flipped out on me. She yelled at me that she was going to find my girlfriend online and tell her that we did a bunch of stuff. So I looked at her and said honestly I never thought you were this type of person that would consider me a friend and want to be with me, just to act like this. Later that night she wrote to my girlfriend, and basically told her off and said that me and her were best friends. So it was a mess. I fessed up to some of it, but not all of it. So she broke up with me. We talked then got back together and I still never told her the rest of it.
We broke up a couple more times because of my lying, but then we got back together again, and decided to get an apartment together. She said she'd give me a clean slate, because this showed her that I was definitely serious about being with her and her daughter. First time I have ever moved out, came close a couple times in the past but it never happend. I was scared to death, every waking hour I was going crazy. I was so worried that I was going to disappoint her or she'd just end up rejecting me anyways, while I was living with erm. I was also worried about finances too. It got to the point where I don't know what happend, but it was crippling me, I just lost it and left. A month later we got back together and I was started staying with her, things were great for a while, but I started lying again, I can't help it. She broke up with me again just after thanksgiving. She told me no matter what she thinks that I'm still hiding things, and she was right I hadn't told her about me telling that girl that there could be a chance someday (even though there wasn't) and I hadn't told her about that girl putting her hand on my crotch and trying to kiss me or the hugs. Three weeks later, which was a week before this recent christmas we got back together, she said to me you really are the best guy I've ever known, other then lying you've treated me the best and my daughter the best. So things were beyond great they were amazing until christmas night. She asked me if there was anything else I wanted to tell her and that she'd give me a chance to come clean. So I told her about the last three things I hadn't told her about, because I wanted to do the right thing. I guess it was too much for her and I don't blame her. So when I finally realized what I had really done and how bad it was. I wanted to make it right, and it ended up blowing up in my face. I honestly thought that she would forgive me and we could have moved on together. It was alot of stuff I know, and I finally wanted to do the right thing.
So I really want to fix myself for ME. I also hope as a positive from it, she will maybe want to give things another shot as well. I've talked to her a little bit about things afterwords and she said that its just been so many lies about so much stuff that she doesn't know what to believe anymore or if I'm genuine in trying to get help and fix myself. She also said that she'd never know that I was ever telling the truth down the road or if I'd always be hiding something. I do understand what she's saying. I did this to her.
So I have been joining websites, posting on forums, trying to talk about it as much as I can with family, friends, and trying to learn and understand what's wrong with me until I came to this website and read about Billi Caine's post. Now I completely understand and it makes total sense. I don't lie to make myself look better or glorify myself, I don't story tell, at least I dont think so. I lie to avoid rejection, disappointment, fearing that others wouldn't want anything to do with me. I'd lie so the truth wouldn't hurt or upset others. I'd lie to avoid feeling shitty about my past stuff or stupid mistake that I had made along the way that was current. I'm just tired of it, and I dont' want to be that person anymore. I know I have low self-esteem and I never feel like I'm worth it.
I am trying to find a counselor/therapist/psychologist that specializes in lying and friendships/relationships. I honestly don't know what to look for. I am doing this for ME, because I'm tired about living in this shadow of myself. Not only do I hurt others I hurt myself from lying. I have contacted a therapist that specializes in relationships, but I dont know about the lying aspect. Can someone please help me so I don't waste money seeing someone that won't really understand or help with my lying. The sooner the better because she is suppose to be letting me know in a couple days when the appointment will be. So please hurry.
I decided to do this questionaire.
ARE YOU A LYING ADDICT?
If you suspect you are a lying addict, the following self assessment questions will help you determine whether you are or not…
1. Is your life out of control because of your lying? YES
2. Is your mind obsessed with your lies or lying? YES
3. Do you lie every day? YES
4. Do you fail to do what is important and normally expected of you because of your lying? YES
5. Do you risk aspects of your personal safety and the safety of your loved ones in order to lie? YES
6. Are you in danger of losing loved ones because of your lying? YES
7. Does your body crave the experience associated with lying so strongly that you feel you have to lie? YES
8. Have you ever decided to stop lying and lasted only a couple of days? YES
9. Do you ever wish people would mind their own business about your lying and stop telling you what to do? YES
10. Have you had problems in the last year because of your lying? YES
11. Has your lying caused you problems at home? YES
12. Will you lose your support system if you tell people about the lies you have told them? YES
13. Do you tell yourself you can stop lying any time you want even though you keep lying when you don’t mean to? YES
14. Have you ever felt like your life would be better if you didn’t lie? YES
But the worst thing was probably confiding in another female about our relationship problems. I didn't seek this other female out, she was new at my workplace and she came up to me one day and said that she noticed that I had seem like something was bothering me for the past week, and at first I didn't want to talk about it, but she was persistent and said it helps to talk about things. So I started talking to her, but then I started hanging out with her during lunch breaks and talking to her about issues, and just talking as friends. We went and grabbed a bit to eat twice, and even left the store parking lot just to get away from work. I know it looks bad. This went on for about a month and then she confessed she liked me from the very first time she saw me, and told me that I should break up with my gf and be with her. I told her that I couldn't because I do love my gf and that I saw her as a friend. She asked once if I thought there could ever be a me and her, and I said someday under different circumstancee (I actually never intended on it anyways, I lied because I appreciated talking to her and didn't want to lose that). I shouldn't have said that, it was a huge mistake. We did hug a few times, dumb I know. The girl kept pushing and getting really annoying and crazy. One day my gf came into my work and was shopping and this friend treated her like crap as if she hated her. So my gf knew something was up. I told her that this girl likes me and is being kind of crazy, and that I don't really talk to her. When I should have told her about it, but I didn't. I tried to pass it off that I had nothing to do with it. Needless to say I told this friend that me and her needed to talk. So when we had a chance to talk I told her that I couldn't be friends with her anymore and the whole thing was wrong, so she then put her hand on my crotch and tried to kiss me. I turned my head before and I was mad at her. I walked away and the next day I went to lunch and she followed me down the road, while I was walking and she flipped out on me. She yelled at me that she was going to find my girlfriend online and tell her that we did a bunch of stuff. So I looked at her and said honestly I never thought you were this type of person that would consider me a friend and want to be with me, just to act like this. Later that night she wrote to my girlfriend, and basically told her off and said that me and her were best friends. So it was a mess. I fessed up to some of it, but not all of it. So she broke up with me. We talked then got back together and I still never told her the rest of it.
We broke up a couple more times because of my lying, but then we got back together again, and decided to get an apartment together. She said she'd give me a clean slate, because this showed her that I was definitely serious about being with her and her daughter. First time I have ever moved out, came close a couple times in the past but it never happend. I was scared to death, every waking hour I was going crazy. I was so worried that I was going to disappoint her or she'd just end up rejecting me anyways, while I was living with erm. I was also worried about finances too. It got to the point where I don't know what happend, but it was crippling me, I just lost it and left. A month later we got back together and I was started staying with her, things were great for a while, but I started lying again, I can't help it. She broke up with me again just after thanksgiving. She told me no matter what she thinks that I'm still hiding things, and she was right I hadn't told her about me telling that girl that there could be a chance someday (even though there wasn't) and I hadn't told her about that girl putting her hand on my crotch and trying to kiss me or the hugs. Three weeks later, which was a week before this recent christmas we got back together, she said to me you really are the best guy I've ever known, other then lying you've treated me the best and my daughter the best. So things were beyond great they were amazing until christmas night. She asked me if there was anything else I wanted to tell her and that she'd give me a chance to come clean. So I told her about the last three things I hadn't told her about, because I wanted to do the right thing. I guess it was too much for her and I don't blame her. So when I finally realized what I had really done and how bad it was. I wanted to make it right, and it ended up blowing up in my face. I honestly thought that she would forgive me and we could have moved on together. It was alot of stuff I know, and I finally wanted to do the right thing.
So I really want to fix myself for ME. I also hope as a positive from it, she will maybe want to give things another shot as well. I've talked to her a little bit about things afterwords and she said that its just been so many lies about so much stuff that she doesn't know what to believe anymore or if I'm genuine in trying to get help and fix myself. She also said that she'd never know that I was ever telling the truth down the road or if I'd always be hiding something. I do understand what she's saying. I did this to her.
So I have been joining websites, posting on forums, trying to talk about it as much as I can with family, friends, and trying to learn and understand what's wrong with me until I came to this website and read about Billi Caine's post. Now I completely understand and it makes total sense. I don't lie to make myself look better or glorify myself, I don't story tell, at least I dont think so. I lie to avoid rejection, disappointment, fearing that others wouldn't want anything to do with me. I'd lie so the truth wouldn't hurt or upset others. I'd lie to avoid feeling shitty about my past stuff or stupid mistake that I had made along the way that was current. I'm just tired of it, and I dont' want to be that person anymore. I know I have low self-esteem and I never feel like I'm worth it.
I am trying to find a counselor/therapist/psychologist that specializes in lying and friendships/relationships. I honestly don't know what to look for. I am doing this for ME, because I'm tired about living in this shadow of myself. Not only do I hurt others I hurt myself from lying. I have contacted a therapist that specializes in relationships, but I dont know about the lying aspect. Can someone please help me so I don't waste money seeing someone that won't really understand or help with my lying. The sooner the better because she is suppose to be letting me know in a couple days when the appointment will be. So please hurry.
I decided to do this questionaire.
ARE YOU A LYING ADDICT?
If you suspect you are a lying addict, the following self assessment questions will help you determine whether you are or not…
1. Is your life out of control because of your lying? YES
2. Is your mind obsessed with your lies or lying? YES
3. Do you lie every day? YES
4. Do you fail to do what is important and normally expected of you because of your lying? YES
5. Do you risk aspects of your personal safety and the safety of your loved ones in order to lie? YES
6. Are you in danger of losing loved ones because of your lying? YES
7. Does your body crave the experience associated with lying so strongly that you feel you have to lie? YES
8. Have you ever decided to stop lying and lasted only a couple of days? YES
9. Do you ever wish people would mind their own business about your lying and stop telling you what to do? YES
10. Have you had problems in the last year because of your lying? YES
11. Has your lying caused you problems at home? YES
12. Will you lose your support system if you tell people about the lies you have told them? YES
13. Do you tell yourself you can stop lying any time you want even though you keep lying when you don’t mean to? YES
14. Have you ever felt like your life would be better if you didn’t lie? YES
Busy when we got back from Portland around 12:30ish pm. When we got home my dad was tired of driving my car, lol, so he had me ride with him in his truck to do an errand. Then we met up with my mom on her lunch break at her work, hung out there for about an hour or so. Got all the way home and forgot to leave her tupper-ware in her car, so we went back up, so he could drop it off. He stopped at my ATM so I could take out some money, then we went to my dad's friends house and spent about an hour there. Nice older couple he's known for years, who has been asking how I was doing and wanted my dad to bring me over so they could see me. Went to grocery store for a sleep aid, called my short-term disability provider and filled them in on what happened, cleaned up with a washcloth. OMG my leg hurts worse then it has been, and now here I sit. :( Depressed, upset, and I feel like crying, wish I had some good news.
I called my ex, because she wanted to know how everything went. She didn't answer, so I left a message. Even more bummed out. God I miss her!
I know that it is really hard to not feel defeated. Write down one thing you are happy with each day. You will see that not everything in your life centers around your ex, or even the struggles with your leg. It could be that you haven't lied or that you found a really awesome book to read, or you had a really great therapy session.
I used to do this, except I would pull out 10 good things about my day. A lot of the time, they overlapped. A lot of them were so small, like seeing a cute picture of a cat, but they helped me focus on good things. I have found that when going through getting rid of lying every day, you see all the faults in yourself and you need the ability to see that there is still good in yourself.
Remember that. Chin up!
One of my co-workers told me she saw my ex with another guy yesterday, and they seemed like they were having a great time. I guess I know why I haven't heard from her. Oh well, in a way I almost don't want to talk to her again for a long time, because I don't need the pain and stress that comes along with it. She's admitted having problems of her own with not wanting to be lonely and jumping into relationships, as well as other things. So I guess this is her way of dealing with everything. I don't blame her, just hurts to hear it I guess. I'll just have to look the other way and do my best not to think or worry about it anymore. I'll keep my chin up. I haven't lied for quite a while now :) It does feel good to know that!
Thats awesome about not lying! Keep it up :)
Remember, at least one good thing about the day. I know it sounds a little hokey but it really does make you see what small things can do to give a huge pick-me-up!
As far as she goes, she can continue to sink in her life, she does have her own issues. I'll just be there for her if she ever needs me, but I'm going to focus on myself from now on. If not oh well, I'll meet someone else some day! As of right now I feel great! I'll continue to be true to myself. Thank you for your replies indy!
Anyways... hope the road trip happens!!
I made an online dating profile just to see if i could meet someone, and start as friends, and I've actually had a few replies. I've only been talking to one person, and haven't to any of the others I just write something along the lines of thanking them for writing to me and that I'm currently talking to someone so out of respect I really can't start something else. So far the girl I've been talking to seems great, we also have a bunch of stuff in common as well as the therapist we both go to. I also helped her at my work pick out a laptop a couple years ago. Small world I guess :D Things have been going good though. My rescheduled surgery date is March 7th. As far as the road trip, I don't think it's going to happen right now, but I'm fine with that. Maybe someday down the road when I get back to work and have some vacation time or something. I'm looking forward to meeting this girl sometime.
Take care, and always write to me if you need to :) Keep smiling even when things are tough!
Thats awesome that you're getting back out there! Good luck with the new girl and hope you can keep up the honesty :)