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I have no one to turn to and just need to vent.
This post will be all over the place. I'm sorry. I just can't think straight right now. And its super long as you can tell....sorry.
So we just realized about a year ago my (now) ex was asexual. It wasnt really a concept either of us knew anything about or ever thought of. I just always figured I kept doing something wrong. I need to have sex to feel a deeper relationship than just "friends", and she finds it pointless. Before I always tried to be more for her and try new things. Then when we found out I was relieved that it wasnt something I was doing. But realized that there was nothing I COULD do for her to want that connection.
From there she has proceeded to call me a whore twice and have implied it other times because she felt bad about herself and hated that, that was my views for a relationship. So "why couldn't I just be happy and feel connetions without sex?" Because "there's more to a relationship than just sex."
And I get that, and I agree. I can feel connected without sex. Its just sometimes I want and need more of a connection. Once every 3 months after breaking down crying because I feel unwanted just doesn't cut it for me. I genuinely want to be wanted. I know that's selfish. And maybe I am a whore for wanted it like once a week.
I was with her for 7 years. I stayed with her cause I kept making excuses. Like I said, I kept feeling like it was my fault. Or just that life got in our way. (She had been taking care of 2 sick parents. So I figured she was just tired from that all the time because it was a lot of work. I lived with her 1/3-1/2 of the year(we live in the same town, but I knew the only way that we could be together was if I had been with her as she took care of them). I was over at their house so much and for close to the family and saw how much work it was.) Then when I was at my place she was over a couple of nights before going back to her place.
4 years ago her father died of stomach cancer.
And since last december its been touch and go with her family since her mother progressively kept getting sicker and sicker. To which she died in may of just her body shutting down.
I started to feel pressured into staying with her from last fall. I didn't want to just drop her because I knew she needed me. And I was close to her family. From February to may she was in amd out(mostly in, only 8 days out.) the 4 different hospitals we have here in town. I spent the nights there about 4 times a week. One time as she was transfering to a different hospital in the ICU, my ex wanted me up there even though only 2 people were allowed to be up there at once. While her sister was up there as well. And the waiting room was full to the brim. I was able to find a meeting room that was free to use and slept under the table (the lights would come on if there was movement. And no way of turning that feature off.)
But then I started to feel myself to get really clingy and felt guilty because i knew it would be better if I was out of the picture so she could do what she needed for her mom with what little time she had left.
April I broke up with her. But I didn't want to stay away because I did care about her mom.
But to get to the main point. She doesnt want to let me go.
She says She loves me and wants to be with me. I say we arent together. But she still wants to be friends. Which, I know is a bad idea. Because even though she says she wants to be with me, then her actions show otherwise. And this isn't a new occurrence. But before I let it slide cause she was the care taker of her parents. It still hurt. Cause when we had made plans, she would have to break them off due to something or another. She always had to put them first. Which is understandable. But it doesn't erase the fact that I have been complacently on the sidelines helping her all along.
Last night I made some homemade bread and she wanted a slice. Today I offered it when she would get off of work. She agreed to come over. But then one of her go workers needed a ride home, so she said she was going to give her a ride home which was out of town, so she couldn't come over tonight. And "it wasnt like we made plans anyway."......... If I offer something, and you agree to it... Thats not a plan?
I can understand if this was a one time thing. Hell I even have needed a ride from a co worker before and given a co worker a ride. Its not that abnormal. But, yes, we did make plans. And you say stuff like "I want to be with you. I dont put anyone else first." But literally break plans to put your co worker first....
Now on to why her being asexual is more painful than it should be. I can live with that fact if she was my friend. Hell, I feel like the weird one by being sexual. My friends are all asexual except 1(who now has a kid that I claim to be my niece.)
By not being in a relationship, I never truly understood what it truly meant to be asexual. I was just like "oh, you don't want to date?" Pretty much growing up. So I separated dating and sex. If they wanted to date, sex was a normal part of a relationship. So it didn't occur to me that, that was a possibility to date and still be asexual.
Anyway, so in the beginning, if I ever felt horney, and she wasnt in the mood(which I mean by never being in the mood) I took care of myself. That was on me. I disnt feel anything of it. But then there were some nights where she would act dominant and push all the right buttons. We could be going hot and heavy to the point where I thought she was going to rip off my clothes(which, if I'm being honest, I really wouldnt have minded. Lol.) But then the next minute she would stop and say it was time to go to bed.
And at first, like I said, I thought it was my fault, but also I thought for the first couple of times, that she was just being coy. So I pressured her into continuing cause I just thought she wanted my go ahead. Well that pretty much ended up with her literally falling asleep in the middle of it. Her energy was night and day. And the worse part was when would wake up suddenly after dozing off for a second. She would ram her hand into me because she was disoriented. It fucking hurt. So I learned that she was never being coy, she honestly meant that she wanted to go to sleep.
I let her acting dominant continue until I realized that she was never going to want me on those nights. So I shut myself off because I knew she didnt want me. And I brought it up to her at different points and her answer was "of course I want you!" I had to really dissociate myself when she started doing that and sometimes i did try to stop it but she wanted to continue. And when I did try to stop it, amd she did continue, those nights I felt like "now she DOES want me tonight." Only for her to pass out still. So I learned that they were all fake outs.
The other night I had her over here because I had moved and needed help with things in my new place. She staryed to try the same bullshit again. Except this time she was actually elaborating as she was trying to start shit.
Like "I want to be in you." "I want to feel you" "I want to make you squirm." This, is out of her character. Shes NOT like that ever. And she was being more dominant than she had ever been before. And honestly, I could use a good fuck right now. So, I wondered if for once in the 7 years of knowing her, if this was like a blue moon occurance. For her to actually want to have sex. Why would she be saying all that stuff and being super dominant if she didn't want to? She never was like this before, even when she was just dominant. She wasnt THIS forceful. And, she hasn't needed to take care of anyone for a couple of months now, so maybe she wont be as tired as she was before?
So...I did the stupid thing. I let her continue and get me hot and bothered......only for her to say that it was time to go to sleep.
Oh and for her to say. "I never wanted sex...."
We aren't together. You started to force yourself on me, saying all this stuff youve never said before... And then cut me off like that?
To be honest, she's dependable when it comes to stuff that a friend would be willing to help do. (Move, if a car breaks down, give me rides. All that stuff.) She is like 100% dependable when it comes to that. She does what she says shes goung to do.
But the minute it deals with a relationship part, nope. Shes the opposite. "I want you." Translates to "I want you beside me as a friend, but lets just say we are together. With out any of that physical relationship sruff."
"I want to be in you and feel you and make your squirm." Does not translate to sex. What the hell she was meaning by that, I have no fucking clue.
"Lets have a mini date." Translates to "nevermind, the world needs my help!"
"I dont help EVERYONE..." Translates to "I help everyone else when I have prior commitments to you."
"I don't need anything from you!" Translates to "why cant you just dot.dot.dot."- needing something from me.
And I know. I know that I should stop speaking to her. I know I have no right to complain. I know its my fault for letting this continue for as long as it has....butnif I lose her, I truly will be alone. And I can't bare that feeling. I have best friends, but not close friends. We all go on about our lives because we are all busy.
And like I said, she is a dependable friend. Just a shit girlfriend. Always was and always will be. I have nothing in town to distract myself, I have no one to talk about this with because no one would understand it. Being as most of them haven't dated (friends age group ranging from 25-30, I'm 27, my ex is 38.) and are asexuals.
I feel trapped. I know if I cut all communications with her, I seriously will be all to myself. If I still talk to her, ill continue to have to shut myself down from any feelings I might be having.
And if she tries to get all handsy with me and I shut that down, she's going to cry "why cant you just believe me when I say that I love you and want you?"
-because literally all the other times you have become handsy and said you wanted me, you left me alone feeling hollow and empty inside, in pain. Meanwhile my vagina felt like it was being pinched off with its own pain due to being aroused so much.
And I could understand, if all these things were a one time occurrence. Or if she just wouldn't be in the mood if I would try to start things up and she would shut me down. But no. The minute anything pertains to anything to do with a relationship, she high tails it away. And you don't get someone hot and bothered just to drop it. Specially multiple times. Specially when you guys have talked it into the ground about why it IS a big deal. Specially if you know you dont want it. If you know you dont want it, dont start it. And don't act like you do want it, and don't say you want to do things to someone so they believe you, just to admit it was all lies.
I think another reason why I'm afraid to let go is, I know she doesn't want sex. And due to that I feel safe. Because at this point, if someone was to try to start something with me, I think I would honestly start to have an anxiety attack.
And I feel stupif about that. But I have played it through in my head and I always feel myself start to tense up and shut down. I mean, maybe it would be different if I was comfortable with an actual real life person. But I don't know. Right now I can't think about it with out my inner person running away.
I'm not really looking for advice or anything. I know I need to hightail it away from her. I just needed to vent. My chest is starting to feel tight and its getting harder for me to just live. I feel like I can't even do simple things right now. Like laundry. I feel like most of the time I just sit and stare at something because I have no want for anything.
And I know I probably should go to a therapist but they are exaughsting, specially if they leave and I have to start all over again with someone else.
So...that's why I came here. Just to vent.
I too came to this forum to vent. I wrote “My Future”.
I finally cut all ties from my ex and I am finally seeing the light. I’m not all the way out and I still have my shitty days. I told her this week that I finally forgive her. WOW, that was relieving!
You will do what you do when you are ready.
Saying “When you’re sick and tired of being sick and tired”. You will make the change.
I forget what all I posted before since my mind was all over the place.
But, I know I at least said that we had made plans to meet up. then she decided to change them giving her coworker a ride home. Fine, I understand giving co workers a ride home. But she had to rub it in my face saying "Its not like we made plans." I literally had to go back to re-read what we said just to make sure there hadn't been a communication. We HAD made plans.
She didn't want to be with me on my birthday and refused to come over this year.
And then, I mean.... we haven't been together since april, So I know this is a stupid feeling I have right now. But since april she has been saying "I DO want to be with you!" Mind you, the 2 instances stated above happened after april. So while she is saying she wants to be with me, she has shown me otherwise.
So I just learned that with this whole "BUT I DO WANT TO BE WITH YOU!" stance she's taking, She has planned to go to Vagas with her sister and neighbor from the 27 of this month, to the 4th of next month. What's so bad about that?
Our "Anniversary" is on the 28th.
Like I said, we haven't been together since april, but she keeps coming back and saying she wants to be with me. I knew this trip was going to happen and was salty before, but got over it because... well that's just what I do. It's out of my control. I wasn't invited because its on someone elses dime. so fine. I know im not a part of them. I know I have no place going with them. I had to get over it. And she didn't seem like she wanted me with her anyway. so i figured she just wanted to have some family time with her sister, on the neighbors dime. Fine. I am salty, But I figured I had to get over it. plus she was like "What do you want me to do? Ask her if you can come along? Thats crazy if you want me to do that! She offered it to susan(Her sister) and I!" so, I knew she wasn't going to ask either. plus I would feel out of place I think. but, It would still feel nice to at least feel included or to feel like I belong.... but I know I don't.
So then, I had this bad dream that I wrote below (I came back and reworded thing...so its probably all over the place again.) last night. This morning I asked her when her trip was actually going to be. That's when I learned she was going to be away on our anniversary.
When I brought that she was going to be gone on our anniversary she was just like..."Oh, I wasn't thinking. I didn't think you would care. I was going to do something in a few months from now. we have the rest of our lives together, can't you just wait?".............after waiting 7 years......after helping her anywhere I could... for 7 years. after trying to be anything she needed from me for 7 years, after trying the best I could to get what little attention I could from her for 7 years. because she had to take care of both her parents and work. "Couldn't you just wait? Why Is it so hard for you to just wait?"
I do have personal issues with holidays and random dates as an adult. As a child, I had to share my birthday with my younger brother whos birthday was 2 weeks away from mine. And with that happening, people always thought it was JUST his birthday and gave him gifts. they were like "Oh, we didn't realize it was both of theirs."
I've always had to be on the back burner. He was always sick and in the hospital so i pretty much had to raise myself(Mother was a single parent). We also were too poor to have christmas ON christmas. so we usually had it around march or whenever mom had gotten her income tax check back.
So, Something as simple as an anniversary overlooked by someone who claims she wants to be with me, who will be a good 15 hours drive away.... kind of sets me off. Because for someone who keeps claiming im not on the back burner, I have had to be pushed aside for a co worker, and this trip, and she just didn't want to be with me on my birthday.
For the past 7 years I have been on the back burner because her mom was always sick. Then her dads cancer came out of no where, he died, Her mom is dead. but nothing has changed. shes even more distant and even though i have tried my best to be there for her, she keeps pushing me away. and then claims that she isn't. I can't keep this tug of war up anymore. It's killing me on the inside.
I know im nothing to her, but her words are venom.
27 years of being pushed to the side for others, and never being important to anyone is so fucking taxing. My mom said she cared about me, as she was beating me or calling the police on me cause I couldn't mow the lawn...cause I was having an asthma attack... cause she never took me to the doctors to get me checked out.
my ex says she cares about me as shes miles away in her own land. (metaphorically speaking. Her and I live in the same town.) she breaks plans to be with other people while saying she wants to be with me, and that shes not putting me on the back burner.
The bad dream I had last night was stupid. but it pretty much sums up how im perceiving things and how im feeling.
It started off by wanting to be with her as she was going on a vacation to the beach(Her favorite place.) and she said no. I said that I really wanted to be with her to go on this vacation she was going to go on. (Not the real life vagas one, but just a simple relaxing get away.) And I figured that (In the dream-) since we were together, I should be allowed to go with her. (I never really take vacations. I'm usually stuck in my town unless I can tag along with other people. which is never.) So anyway, she was going to go with this other person. I don't know who this person was. It was pretty much just a placeholder. I couldn't make out their face. but soon she decided to let me come along. We were going to go to the beach (Her favorite place in real life, but a place im scared of due to a phobia of mine. But I still wanted to be with her.) There was a cabana shelter thingy there, and it was peaceful and actually really beautiful. but once we were there, her and the other person said they were going to leave to go on a hike in the woods (Something she hates doing. and I like doing.) and told me to just stay at the beach. She seemed content hiking, which was weird and out of place for her. And I didn't want to be on the beach alone, but agreed to go along with it and wait for their return.
Meanwhile as I waited for a long time, the tide started to come in, and with it some shellfish, like lobsters and crabs (mind you, I've never actually been to the ocean before because I live in the midwest. not sure if that actually happens like that. Theres not much ocean this way, if there was, then the usa would be in horrible shape cause that means most of the land would be underwater), I started to take a picture of them cause I thought they were cool, and I texted her the picture showing her the new happening that was going on at the beach. since I knew she liked the beach more than hiking. I got no response from her and the tide kept coming in and it kept getting darker as I waited. I had to run away from the shore at one point, because a big wave was headed in randomly. I had sandals on and stepped on something painful as I ran away, sharp pains ran from my feet, up my legs. After I was away from the wave and was able to look at what happened to my feet, I noticed that I had stepped on 2 scorpion tails with both my feet (1 tail each).
From there, I woke up. I couldn't handle being alone anymore. Due to my phobia, I don't think I could ever go to the beach alone in real life. I don't think i would be willing to just drop it if she was going to do something she hated with someone, rather than do something she loved with me. And I just didn't want any more misfortune to attack me in my dreams because I have to deal with enough shit in real life.
I gave her a simplified version of my dream this morning. as we got into a fight because she said she would ask her neighbor if i could come along on this trip. I told her no, That since she didn't want me before, what would change now? she then yelled and said "What did you want me to do?? Ask her about you coming when shes paying for it?!?!"..... How, can you flip so easily in the same instance? "I want you to come with, Do you want me to ask her?", to "WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME TO DO? ASK HER????"
It's like, one is accusing me and one is trying to comfort me... all at the same time. How the fuck does that mean she cares about me? You didn't want to ask her before, so why ask her now?
Over all, I don't want to go. I don't want anything more to do with her. this morning made me seriously want to throw up. I couldn't handle anything this morning. and she keeps saying "If I didn't want to be with you, It would be so easy to just walk away." Fine, then go. I need you to fucking go. I know you don't want to be with me, you show me constantly. I say I have nothing more to give, you say I don't have to give anymore.... but then you ask me to be patient. and to wait while you live your life.... because, "we have the rest of our lives. why cant I just wait a little longer? 7 years isn't that long, is it??"
I could understand if i initiated, and she didn't want to do anything. I could understand that. If she wanted to cuddle and simply be close and watch a show or just relax together and not go further, I can understand not wanting sex. And I respect that. but for her to initiate things, to get me SO aroused that I literally felt my vagina pulse, SO MANY times that I HAD to LEARN to turn off my body.... just for her to pass out. For her to call me a whore when I have been nothing but faithful and understanding to her, that is nothing but cruel.
But as always, I'm the one that has the issues.
Yeah, NOW I have deeper issues than I had before. Sacrificed 7 years of my life to her and for her and to help her with her parents, just to be tossed away as background noise.
I am nothing to her, and I never was. Despite what bullshit she keeps spewing.
I know this group isn't very active these days unfortunately.
I don't have any advice but just wanted you to know another soul is out here and has read about ur struggle.
It sounds like a pretty tough spot to be in. Sorry you're dealing with so much.