Curious for more info Hotfoot. Can we presume that any underlying medical issues that might be responsible are being treated? And that you have consulted with a doctor about this?

If that is affirmative, wondering about your experience with CBT. Do you still use those methods? You know they need to be actually used to work.

Prioritizing healthy sleep became a lifestyle for me, because I am prone to insomnia. I learned CBT methods years ago and basically work them every day. Meaning do not let insomnia control me. I control it. And I have to stay on top of it. Every day.

I try to not let myself be controlled by those recurring negative sleep thoughts. Consistency in sleep schedule. Manage stress. Exercise, get sunlight, etc. Basically, CBT teaches you healthy sleep habits. Are you still doing this?

Yes, Hyponos, have tried and failed CBT. It seems my problem is familial insomnia. It effects my aged mother ( and has for 50 years) my brother and even my 5 year old grandson. Have had sleep studies and the results were " chronic insomnia" I practice excellent sleep hygiene, exercise daily, never consume caffeine, and do not fixate on sleep.The problem is I never get sleepy. Even if I got zero sleep the night prior, I would not feel drowsy. Exhausted for sure but not sleepy.

A sleep doc put me on one of the Z drugs 10 years ago and said you will be taking these for the rest of your life. As everyone knows, this is not an answer. You become tolerant to the drugs and require higher and higher doses to maintain any kind of sleep at all. Thus, I am searching for not pharma opportunities.

Yes, I hear you. That sounds difficult. For me, being absolutely exhausted both mentally and physically yet not drowsy while lying in bed was the worst.

My take is you are doing the right thing by not being fixated by sleep, or the lack thereof. Putting negative energy into that would no doubt just make it worse.

Good luck to you.