Infidelity Support Group
Any relationship in which one partner engages willfully in sexual relations with another outside of the partnership is considered to have experienced infidelity. This breach of trust is often traumatizing for the faithful partner as well as the relationship, and support is often needed to heal emotionally and to decide whether or not the relationship should continue after...
jpaltz
Hi all. I'm having a tough time and didn't really know where to turn. I'd appreciate any thoughts and feedbacks. I'm not good with people who bash me or my husband, so please don't go that route. I obviously know things aren't ideal.
Four years ago, I discovered my husband was having an emotional affair with a woman at work whom I was good friends with also. I had checked his email after he hid his screen from me that day. We went to counseling and brought a lot of issues to the table, such as the distance that my brother's death (suicide) and my mom's death (cancer) had caused between us, as well as the stress of raising two little ones, juggling jobs, etc. The following months were filled with a lot of ups and downs, and I eventually couldn't live with the roller coaster and asked for a separation. He moved out.
As we were co-parenting, we still had a lot of contact and eventually we seemed to be moving toward a better relationship. I took a leap of faith and moved to a new city with him (my hometown, so I have plenty of support here). Not long after we moved here, he left his email up and I discovered that not only was he in touch with OW, they had escalated to a physical relationship and were declaring how much they loved each other. At this point I said we needed to resume counseling or divorce. We went to counseling and it was not especially fruitful, largely because I had the sense he was doing it merely to say he had so that when he bailed, he could play the "I tried" card.
So we separated again, but continued to co-parent. Eventually I said the uncertainty of separation was too much and I wanted to make this a more formal arrangement. He bought a house and we planned to talk to his individual therapist (who specializes in working with kids) about how to talk to our girls, how to divide custody, that sort of thing.
In the meantime, it felt like with the pressure finally off to save our marriage, we started to really click. OW was out of the picture at this point, and he would stay at my house until the girls had fallen to sleep and we would spend a lot of time talking and laughing, and I thought that maybe I could find a way to be happy with the positive changes in our relationship as well as a new future.
Except that the future felt so awful to me. I'm sure most of you can relate to the utter devotion I feel to my kids. When I would walk by their rooms at night and imagine the day coming when they weren't there because they were at my husband's, I felt physically ill. Imagining missing out on half their lives was so traumatizing that I thought about suicide (although having witnessed how devastating my brother's death was, I don't believe that will ever be a viable option).
When my husband confessed that he was having second thoughts and struggling with telling the girls, I said I felt the same way and suggested we take some time and let our emotions guide us. That was about two months ago. Since then, he has emailed me every night, shoveled my driveway after every storm (and there have been a lot), turned to me for advice about work and supported some large decisions I have made. We have also spent a lot of time as a family and just had a really enjoyable time.
So a few days ago I told him that I had taken time to think about everything, and I wanted to pursue a relationship with him. I told him that if he wanted to just be co-parents who were good friends, that was fine, but we needed to make some changes in our lives that reflected that. He said no, he wanted to move forward, too, but that his feelings had evolved to "best friends" and he wasn't sure how to move them to intimacy. I said I felt the same way and we agreed to work on it together. That night I was lying around with one of my girls and felt so content about the direction everything was heading.
Well, three days later, he got a phone call and left his computer open, so I checked his email. Frankly, I wish I'd just asked him about OW, but I feared he wouldn't be honest with me. Sure enough, they were back in touch and pouring their hearts out to each other and telling each other how much they loved each other ("I love you so much," each message said).
When I confronted him, he said that he had been trying to end it and he meant what he said to me about wanting to build a relationship with me. Then he got angry that I had checked his email. I apologized but stressed the bigger issue was what he had done.
This was two days ago, and the time since has been very tense and stressful. I have cried a lot and eat and slept little. Just really torn about all this and what it means for the future. It wasn't even a week ago that I felt so good about the direction we were headed. And now I am having a hard time picturing it ever working out, for the following reasons:
- It hurts a lot to know he was lying to and deceiving me for however long he and the OW have been back in touch. The letters referenced a recent get-together, and he definitely lied to me about his whereabouts that day. While I do feel to some extent our relationship was undefined and he had some right to do as he wished with other women, knowing he was so dishonest YET AGAIN is a huge hurdle for me.
- I have a hard time feeling like I can get enthused about a building a relationship with him when he'll have just broken off one in which he claimed to love the other woman so much. Not only that, but he has turned to this woman time and again when he could have been building our relationship.I just feel like she'll forever cast a long shadow over our relationship.
- I resent the way he is nursing a grudge over my reading his email. I have tried to be rational and let him be entitled to his anger, but still, I treated him better in the face of the original discovery of his infidelity than he has treated me the past few days. I get that when he's angry, he has a hard time verbalizing things and he really doesn't know what to say. That doesn't exempt him from basic kindness.
He left the house when I got home from work last night, so it was just me and my girls. And we had so much fun and laughed a lot. I started to wonder if a life with just the three of us was the way to go. Then I imagine being alone on the nights they're over at their father's, having that kind of fun with him. At this point in my life, I just can't imagine being a part-time mom.
Maybe all this will be a moot point because he'll push for an end to things anyway. I don't know. Like I said, I'm really having a tough time. Thanks a lot for reading.
Four years ago, I discovered my husband was having an emotional affair with a woman at work whom I was good friends with also. I had checked his email after he hid his screen from me that day. We went to counseling and brought a lot of issues to the table, such as the distance that my brother's death (suicide) and my mom's death (cancer) had caused between us, as well as the stress of raising two little ones, juggling jobs, etc. The following months were filled with a lot of ups and downs, and I eventually couldn't live with the roller coaster and asked for a separation. He moved out.
As we were co-parenting, we still had a lot of contact and eventually we seemed to be moving toward a better relationship. I took a leap of faith and moved to a new city with him (my hometown, so I have plenty of support here). Not long after we moved here, he left his email up and I discovered that not only was he in touch with OW, they had escalated to a physical relationship and were declaring how much they loved each other. At this point I said we needed to resume counseling or divorce. We went to counseling and it was not especially fruitful, largely because I had the sense he was doing it merely to say he had so that when he bailed, he could play the "I tried" card.
So we separated again, but continued to co-parent. Eventually I said the uncertainty of separation was too much and I wanted to make this a more formal arrangement. He bought a house and we planned to talk to his individual therapist (who specializes in working with kids) about how to talk to our girls, how to divide custody, that sort of thing.
In the meantime, it felt like with the pressure finally off to save our marriage, we started to really click. OW was out of the picture at this point, and he would stay at my house until the girls had fallen to sleep and we would spend a lot of time talking and laughing, and I thought that maybe I could find a way to be happy with the positive changes in our relationship as well as a new future.
Except that the future felt so awful to me. I'm sure most of you can relate to the utter devotion I feel to my kids. When I would walk by their rooms at night and imagine the day coming when they weren't there because they were at my husband's, I felt physically ill. Imagining missing out on half their lives was so traumatizing that I thought about suicide (although having witnessed how devastating my brother's death was, I don't believe that will ever be a viable option).
When my husband confessed that he was having second thoughts and struggling with telling the girls, I said I felt the same way and suggested we take some time and let our emotions guide us. That was about two months ago. Since then, he has emailed me every night, shoveled my driveway after every storm (and there have been a lot), turned to me for advice about work and supported some large decisions I have made. We have also spent a lot of time as a family and just had a really enjoyable time.
So a few days ago I told him that I had taken time to think about everything, and I wanted to pursue a relationship with him. I told him that if he wanted to just be co-parents who were good friends, that was fine, but we needed to make some changes in our lives that reflected that. He said no, he wanted to move forward, too, but that his feelings had evolved to "best friends" and he wasn't sure how to move them to intimacy. I said I felt the same way and we agreed to work on it together. That night I was lying around with one of my girls and felt so content about the direction everything was heading.
Well, three days later, he got a phone call and left his computer open, so I checked his email. Frankly, I wish I'd just asked him about OW, but I feared he wouldn't be honest with me. Sure enough, they were back in touch and pouring their hearts out to each other and telling each other how much they loved each other ("I love you so much," each message said).
When I confronted him, he said that he had been trying to end it and he meant what he said to me about wanting to build a relationship with me. Then he got angry that I had checked his email. I apologized but stressed the bigger issue was what he had done.
This was two days ago, and the time since has been very tense and stressful. I have cried a lot and eat and slept little. Just really torn about all this and what it means for the future. It wasn't even a week ago that I felt so good about the direction we were headed. And now I am having a hard time picturing it ever working out, for the following reasons:
- It hurts a lot to know he was lying to and deceiving me for however long he and the OW have been back in touch. The letters referenced a recent get-together, and he definitely lied to me about his whereabouts that day. While I do feel to some extent our relationship was undefined and he had some right to do as he wished with other women, knowing he was so dishonest YET AGAIN is a huge hurdle for me.
- I have a hard time feeling like I can get enthused about a building a relationship with him when he'll have just broken off one in which he claimed to love the other woman so much. Not only that, but he has turned to this woman time and again when he could have been building our relationship.I just feel like she'll forever cast a long shadow over our relationship.
- I resent the way he is nursing a grudge over my reading his email. I have tried to be rational and let him be entitled to his anger, but still, I treated him better in the face of the original discovery of his infidelity than he has treated me the past few days. I get that when he's angry, he has a hard time verbalizing things and he really doesn't know what to say. That doesn't exempt him from basic kindness.
He left the house when I got home from work last night, so it was just me and my girls. And we had so much fun and laughed a lot. I started to wonder if a life with just the three of us was the way to go. Then I imagine being alone on the nights they're over at their father's, having that kind of fun with him. At this point in my life, I just can't imagine being a part-time mom.
Maybe all this will be a moot point because he'll push for an end to things anyway. I don't know. Like I said, I'm really having a tough time. Thanks a lot for reading.
I would recommend IC and determine how long you will wait for him, of at all.
IMHO, the only way to rebuild with a CS is for them to make a decision to change their character. No amount of learning to meet needs, building boundaries, putting up walls and looking out windows will fix the basic character traits that led a CS to cheat.
It is a hard pill for the CS to swallow to look square in their own face in the mirror and admit they are seriously flawed in their relationship thinking and their basic character and then want to change that to be someone else.
It is hard for a BS to step away and not try to manipulate the rebuilding by making therapy appointments, going to MC, buying books for the CS to read and a multitude of other "fixes" they hope will make the CS see the light and "get it". For me, when I was doing all that I was sad, depressed and seeing no end in sight. I saw myself checking the cell bill until I was dead. It was not a good outlook.
It was hard and risky, but I stepped out of the process. I worked on me, and me alone. I stopped MC because why rebuild a relationship with someone who does not choose to be a person of character who would never consider the option of starting a new relationship without ending the existing one.
The MC called, all worried that I was planning my exit, etc. I was actually planning my good emotional health. Did it affect their income, sure, did I care, no.
Lo and behold, my CS decided, on his own, to do IC. A few weeks after he started he said to me "I was an asshole long before the A, and I want you to know I don't want to be an asshole anymore". I was dancing inside but took a wait and see attitude. It has now been a couple of months on this new path, and I see real progress. Real progress in all areas of his life even those that have nothing to do with me.
It is a waiting game, but I am all in and hoping that 10 years from now I can come here and tell you how much better life can be when you leave a CS to fend for their own rebuilding of their character
Is he holding on to the other woman "just in case"? What does that say about him? Does the other woman know that she is "Plan B" and not "Plan A"? Not likely. "Trying to end it"?? What does that even MEAN? If he wants to be with you this is how that conversation should go: "I'm married and I'm working things out with my wife. Don't ever call or email me again. Sorry. Buh-bye."
Getting mad at you for reading his email is classic "Blame Shifting." To recover the trust in a marriage, a cheating spouse needs to be completely transparent and open with every detail of their life. You are ENTITLED to read his emails.
I can completely relate to your situation in a host of different ways. Believe me, "being alone on the nights they're over at their father's" is not anywhere near as difficult as you think it is. Sure, it's hard the first few (dozen) times. But it gets easier. And then it becomes the routine. And then you'll come to enjoy having a few evenings alone. And your girls are going to grow up and make their own decisions about where they want to spend most of their time. And they will want to spend more and more time with their friends/boyfriends. Still, you won't be a "part time mom" by any stretch of the imagination.
The thing is, I don't think we have quite progressed to the point where that's true. We live in separate houses and were taking the first tentative steps back into a relationship. As I said, I wish I had asked him straight up about OW. Had I done that, I would have felt better about reading his email and finding what I found.
All that said, I certainly realize that in the scheme of things, my transgression is pretty minute compared to his.
"I'm not good with people who bash me or my husband, so please don't go that route. I obviously know things aren't ideal."
You are asking for an opinion, yet you won't allow those giving it to share their true feelings. Does this sound familiar? Can it apply to your relationship with your husband?
Sadly, if he is unwilling to make the necessary changes, which includes total transparency, giving you access to his e-mails, etc., you are in for more of the same of what you have been going through. The bottom line is that you need to decide what you think is best for you, and stick to your guns as to what you will require of him.
undeserving of your trust. Put him behind you and create the life you want for yourself. The OW means more to him than you do. I know that hurts, but that is what he is telling you. You have a wishbone where your backbone should be.
If things are going to work out for you it will take a great amount of determination from both of you as you seek to heal the wounds these events have caused in your marriage. I would urge you guys to see a counselor who can help you put the pieces back together. If possible I would include your children as well.
There is a website called marriagealive.com that can help you with practical steps and advice on ways you can begin to improve your marriage. Even in the midst of tragedy, I believe there is hope for your marriage. There is no situation beyond the healing hands of God. I'm praying for your journey and hope that you have the strength to continue on. God bless.
-ICanSpellThornwell-
Good luck to you.
Back to your response to my first comment: All I have to go on is what you've written here. I don't have the context or nuanced framework of your relationship. I hadn't quite picked up the detail - which you believe is determinative - that you were living apart and only in the initial stages of putting things back together. Still... I am troubled (as are you, obviously) that your husband was/is saying "I love you" to this other woman.
It seems reasonable to expect some measure of "being confused" or "having doubts" or "grieving for the loss of the affair partner," etc. But actively communicating "I love you" to this particular woman, regardless of the timing, seems like a strong indication that he is not ready to make a serious commitment to being honest with you and to coming home.
I agree 100 percent with this. It's funny, because to some extent I think we all carry feelings and thoughts about former relationships with us that we have a right to keep to ourselves. The difference here, as you note, is that he's actively communicating it. And that's what I feel that I had a right to know about before he let me think he was completely on board with moving forward with our relationship.
We were supposed to talk this out today, but he got called into work. So it's all just hanging in the balance, which is beyond frustrating.