I agree withy you. I have had little to do with any church for most of my adult life, nothing to do with sexual orientation.
I do however believe that the god described in the bible would not condemn people because the love the same sex. That is not what it is about.
Keep strong in the knowledge that you are right. All the best to you and yours.

Cheers.

As someone who has always been active in my church, and is still very active and my faith in my beliefs is stronger than ever, I often wonder the exact same thing. Jesus taught love, God commanded love, with love goes acceptance, with acceptance goes support and love, with love acceptance, see the circle, that is what God commanded. I know a lot of church goers (I say that because I doubt their Christianity), that say the whole "love the person hate the sin" bullshit statement. Yes, God commanded us to love people especially when they are being defeated by sin. But Jesus never acted out the "love the person hate the sin". There was even one time according to some scholars that Jesus wanted to visit the house of a gay person. Does that sound like a "hate the sin" attitude?

Being mostly gay, partly bi and having grown up in church, I have studied the subject extensively. As much as I can not having a college education. I have started a page here on Daily Strength, for bi/gay Christians, and non-Christians that want to know what I believe, and even have discussions about it. I welcome people that believe differently to post their beliefs so we can have a discussion, and maybe we all learn from it.

On behalf of Christians everywhere I apologize for the church goers that act like a horses ass. If you want to see what I believe, and see the times that gay people are mentioned in the Scripture, and how God treated them the same way He treated straight people. No better, no worse, but exactly the same, showing Christians how they should treat gay people. There is a lot of information there, all of my post are rather long, but there is just so much information in the Bible about gay's, that I had to make it long. Here is the link:

http://www.dailystrength.org/groups/bigay-and-christian

If you haven't noticed, we judge everything, everyday, I guess you don't think your criticism of the church goers as judgmental. And if it just a history book, I see you like the passage of stone casting. try looking in the mirror while you're casting your stone.

before you judge my stone casting you should know that these people I so called cast my stones at. I have listened to there so called almighty bible thumping for years and how they like to quote the bible in only the way they think it reads. ok I'm not Hebrew and have never read the original book, but nether have a lot of people. Then I've seen enough history shows to know there's a lot of it that's been left out because they think people can't handle the truth it needs to be sugar coated. I'm not always on a soap box, and people can judge me all they like at least when their judging me their letting someone else rest.. but even with broad shoulders there's only so much crap you can carry. But all in all ImpaulL like I've always said people who live in glass houses need not cast stones.....

I just don't "hang" with church people anymore. As they say, "Been there, done that." The Doobie Brothers had it right... "Jesus is just all right with me," but I don't let people cram their version of Jesus down my throat. :)

I like facebook, but I have two facebook accounts, one for friends who accept me for who I am and another for work/business/family. I don't care what anyone knows about me, but I'm not going to be hassled about it. Facebook allows you to block those who are dead-set on hassling.

the worst thing of all if you want to talk about judgemental i have serious ptsd and retired on disability i used to be a pretty darn good music teacher i get more support from the straights than i do my own so called people the GLBT community it is very painful indeed i even went to a gay church and it was not supportive it is like well i am gay but i dont struggle with ,, fill in the blank yes they do i was just stupid enough to be honest and it backfired, we all throw stones whether we realize it or not and jesus IS just alrirght with any one who is oppressed broken hurting lost alone it is in the book and from what i read the new testament is alll about grace and mercy not condemnation

Please read this with the assumption that I intend it to unite us, and not attack anyone. There are a few places that I got honest, or I pointed out something I saw, and it could come across as an attack, especially since I don't always word things the right way, but this is a friendship request, and not an attack. I look forward to reading your reply, so I can see if and where I misunderstood anything.

Rednecknit, I do understand your anger, I have been both accepted by church-goers, and ridiculed, condemned, and hassled by the "good people". As I said before, on behalf of the real believers, I apologize for those people's actions it is unacceptable.

I have been friends with ImPauIL on this site for a few years, we don't always see eye to eye, but usually we respect each other's position. But, I do not condone what he said, I don't think he meant it the way it came across, but it did come across wrong, and again it's an example of where a Christian seems to attack someone for not believing, and that is not what Jesus taught.

However, I do have to say I do agree with one thing Paul said, in your original post you implied that the Bible isn't true, and that you don't believe in God, I am not going to say you are wrong for your beliefs, I am not going to give you a hard time over them, they are your beliefs and I respect your right to believe that way. I would like a chance to very nicely explain what I believe, but if you want to listen, then you ask me, I'm not going to make you feel I'm pushing it on you. But, I'm getting off topic, you also implied in your statement that you feel (correct me if I'm wrong), that anyone that does believe in God, is wrong, and that we are dumb for believing, and we need to get smart and forget about the God foolishness.

That is what I understood, if I'm wrong please let me know, and please understand I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, that is just what I understood, and I don't mean to make you out to be a bad guy, or lie about what you said, I may have misunderstood if so forgive me, and correct me. But if that is what you said, then are you not judging us also? That question is not to make you mad or attack you, I ask the same question to other church goers all the time.

It's like I know a couple of black people that have been going around making statements that a black person needs to start going around just killing white people randomly because of the police shootings. Because they say all white people are racist, and I ask them if they aren't racist because of their attitude. They say no their not, but white people are and have pushed them to hate white people, but their not racist. I have also attacked white people because they accuse all black people of being criminals, that's not true either, but the white person says their not racist, it's just a fact that black people are criminals, and I have to tell them they are racist, and need to shut up, because they don't know what their talking about.

My point is, we as the human race is never going to have peace of any kind, if white people put 100% of the blame on blacks, and blacks put 100% of the blame on whites, or non-believers say they have done nothing wrong, and are 100% right about God not existing and believers are dumb for thinking God does exist, and believers are attacking non-believers, and saying that they (the believers) are 100% in the right because they are on God's side, and the non-believers are just evil people and don't deserve to be treated with respect, and instead of doing what God said and loving the non-believer, the church says "we can't love you until you believe, so don't ask us to", and then tries to force the non-believer to believe by attacking them and telling them how evil they are, and they deserve to burn in hell, unless they start to believe.

Both sides of every argument between groups of people, (Democrat&Republician, North&South Korea, communist&capitolist, Christian&Muslim) are wrong and right. Both sides need to look at what they are doing, and find where they are wrong, and then look at the other side and forget about what they are doing wrong, and just focus on what is being done right. When the general 6 billion people on the earth realize this, and start treating other's with respect, then we can have peace.

Earlier I commented on what I thought you said, and asked you to correct me if I misunderstood, that wasn't an attack, it was both me trying to find out what you really did mean, and so maybe you could see where you might have an attitude that causes you to misunderstand the actions of some believers, that is if I am right, which I might not be. But, despite me being a believer, and your not, despite our differences in opinion on things, I see no reason why we can't be friends, and agree to disagree. My philosophy is, You have a right to your opinion, I may not agree with it, but I respect it, and if you respect my right to my opinion, then we can be best friends.