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Oh, someone just shoot me, there is no way to get ahead!
I am doing my best to eat well because I know that it is very important to our health. So, I am trying to learn and follow the advise of people who know much more about it than I. After all, I was raised on a steady diet of meats, white rice and fried foods and have spent a lifetime working on improving my diet.
Forbidden (black, purple rice) has more antioxidants than blueberries. Check! Fruits, rich in vitamins. Check! Kale and spinach, super foods. Stop! Kale and spinach, oxalate rich that can tax your kidneys. Oh, oh.
What am I missing? Are they good for some people but not others who have a specific problem? Is it an issue of the right amount?
If you would, please share your knowledge. Thanks.
I am doing my best to eat well because I know that it is very important to our health. So, I am trying to learn and follow the advise of people who know much more about it than I. After all, I was raised on a steady diet of meats, white rice and fried foods and have spent a lifetime working on improving my diet.
Forbidden (black, purple rice) has more antioxidants than blueberries. Check! Fruits, rich in vitamins. Check! Kale and spinach, super foods. Stop! Kale and spinach, oxalate rich that can tax your kidneys. Oh, oh.
What am I missing? Are they good for some people but not others who have a specific problem? Is it an issue of the right amount?
If you would, please share your knowledge. Thanks.
I think it's balance. Find the amounts that make you feel *best* in your body. Some people like to use more of X or Y or Z, others use less, but it's really individual, from what I can tell. I cook for me and hubby but have to adjust. He can tolerate more raw tomatoes than I can, for example, but he feels 'icky" if he eats as much cabbage-family food as I do.
I figure it's like all else. Start small, work up, see where that happy place is.
On oxalate-rich, I'm kinda sorta knowledgeable b/c we had to eat wild foods to stop hunger when I was a kid, and lamb's-quarter is great---but oxalate-rich. So we had to watch portions on it. I never load up on my happy spinach in kale season, for example, and to be honest, I don't eat kale raw *ever*. So it may also be about cooking method, too. (Boil kale in a couple changes of water versus eating it raw in a smoothie, for example.)
I go with gentle experimentation. See what your body feels best eating, is what guides me. So far so good. If you have concerns that a med or other issue could be affected, ask a doc or two. There's usually general guidelines or rules of thumb for a lot of that available to GPs, no special referrals needed.
Good luck:-) Hope my humble experiences have helped.
Smiles,
Leo
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From my personal and family history, I don't think I am at particularly high risk for stones. Notwithstanding, what I have concluded from what I have been reading here and on various websites is to eat lots of fruits and veggies, all kinds, and eat them both raw and cooked.
The information is enough to boggle the mind.
I think too much of one thing is not good for us. I think that is just basic common sense. finding a balance is probably the best.
Like Emily710 said. Eat a wide range of fruits and vegetables. cooked and raw.
I will say listen to your body too. Not everyone can eat the same thing and have the same experience. some people can't tolerate certain foods. OR they can not eat it raw but are ok eating it cooked. OR the other way around. THAT is all an individual thing each of us have to find out for ourselves.
As for the oxalate thing. I know about it as I periodically get kidney stones and see a urologist for it but it is also a controversial topic.
It is not proven that a low oxalate diet will lesson the chances of kidney stones.
And only high doses is oxalic acid or oxalate poisonous. It really is a controversial topic out there. gotta read about it.
There are different types of kidney stones that someone can get. Not all stones are caused by too much oxalate consumption. Anyway that's a topic that if any one is interested in can do their own research on.
there are tons of food that contain oxalic acid. lots of healthy foods and it would be foolish to eliminate ALL foods that contain oxalic acid as the diet would be pretty bland without them and we would be eliminating some pretty good nutrition. so consuming a variety and balance is key and not to overload on any one food or food that has oxalate.
by the way chocolate has oxalate. :) tea, cocoa...beer. LOL
yeah, it opens up a whole can of worms if you start reading about oxalic acid or oxalates. (same thing)
I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
the not eating a rich oxalate veggie with a rich oxalate protein is interesting.
I often eat fresh raw greens like spinach leaves with chicken or turkey slice. Maybe I ought not do that considering my history of stones.
I forgot what stones I have but my urologist didn't really stress the importance of me cutting back on oxalates.
He said that drinking more water was important.
Food combining is a WHOLE other story isn't it.
I have done food combining diet before.
Not consuming carbs with proteins.
not combining acid and alkaline. that's a whole other thing too.
the topic of nutrition and biochemistry can go on and on.
It's so complicated to me.
too much to figure out.
I noticed that many foods contain oxalic acid. I suppose we are talking about oxalate RICH foods yeah? ones with the highest content. yeah?
even I went out and bought some kale. and it isn't something I usually consume. I have made Kale chips. yummy.
It's funny how certain foods become popular.
Ohhh they re-tested it and NOW it's ok. LOL, these things always make me question their reliability and integrity.
Maybe the oxalate content is no different to what it's always been but they are stressing it's "lower' content to keep the popularity and sales of kale as it's an 'in food" LOL
it's the cynic in me. I am sure.
this is why I don't always trust these things we see in the media.
It's like it's ok to eat this food, then later we hear it's not ok.
things change all the time.
don't eat this, eat that, no, wait, we made a mistake, it's ok now. you CAN eat this.
lol.
Oh yeah I see it now. ooops. sorry people for prattling on.
Thanks for that, Leo.
duh, my brain.