This was my response to your blog:

As someone trained in Somatic Psychotherapy, if you don't mind, I would correct your comment that says " true problem solving comes from the mind, NOT the body." This is a huge part of the problem in sexual misconduct cases and in dealing with "thugs" like the NPFP. The TRUTH is we are all WHOLE, our minds influence our bodies and our bodies influence our minds.

We need input from BOTH the MIND and the BODY, as we look to management, treatment, and accountability given how much energy, personally, financially, and through law enforcement is spent in protecting citizens from potential harm. The body doesn't lie and those who have been abused sexually and those who treat the trauma residuals from any sort of sexual misconduct KNOW.

I see many of the acts that get people on registries more along the realms of addictive behaviors. Yes, there are those few who are sociopaths that rape and murder innocent victims and that is the problem here. Yes, we need to identify THOSE REAL PREDATORS, not label those who have found themselves on a Registry for LIFE, who actually did no harm to anyone.

Fear is a power motivator, it is also one of the most contagious of all emotions. That is due to the developmental fact that we are mammals that used to roam the Earth and had other predators stalking us.

Now some of us, very few actually, stalk those innocent and more vulnerable than ourselves. This is what the Registry is trying to protect again, yet it is backfiring due to how we are WIRED IN OUR BRAINS.

The fear that arises as we NEED to protect ourselves from any threat is a natural survival response. Yet it is working against us in sex cases, both in the judicial system and in our communities at large, since we miss looking to the BODY for evidence.

The good news is we have an organ - the HEART - that is neurological wired with connections to both the brain, our minds, and our bodies. It is through the HEART that the conflict on all levels of this debate between good and evil will find resolution.

Not in words that originate from the mind, or in fists that originate in the body.

It will be our WHOLENESS that will create resolution. Being in either camp continues the division and only with UNITY within ourselves will this conflict be resolved.

... just my opinion ... Blessings to all of us who experience the SPLIT that is being acting out even in our courtrooms. It is all born of ignorance and fear, and this is why there is so much confusion in our communities when it comes to sexual offenses.

The healing will only happen when we step into our Hearts and look for the TRUTH, and stop REACTING out of FEAR, and putting people away for long periods of time when their "alleged" crimes do not warrant the sentence or being placed on a Registry.

We all need to heal, those in NPFP and those on RSO lists and the healing will come when we step into our HEARTS and EXPERIENCE OUR HUMANNESS.

I pray, as Brain Science takes a stronger hold in our courts, and in psychology, this knowledge will become par and parcel to any and every case brought before a judge, jury, or treatment team.

Did you try posting this to the comments? Because I don't see it anywhere.

I did attempt it and it looked like it went through to the comments on my screen ... I copies it after I sent it ...

I will try again :).

You are correct once fallen ... my post did not make it to you comments. I have reposted and will await your approval :).

Happy Thanksgiving !!!

It went through. However, I think you might have misunderstood my message. In the case of David Rowe, he enjoys using his fists to solve problems, while I use my brain to solve problems.

Glad to have you back with us.oncefallen.

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Maybe you are misunderstanding me ...

I got that in your post that you use your BRAIN, but you used the word BODY in response to the use of force, as David Rowe exemplifies.

As someone who has studied the mind/body connection in a Psychotherapeutic context and who has done research on how non-verbal trauma lives in the body as MEMORY, as well as someone who was raped with her first kiss and spent years healing because the therapy at the time used more "TALKING AND WORDS" that the BODY as it own SELF-CORRECTING ORGANISM I have a bias. I also understand brain science I find that the BODY has amazing wisdom when it comes to healing.

So many of these Vigilante groups maintain their strength by saying PEOPLE DON'T HEAL from abuse. My own personal experience, as well as my experience as a psychotherapist tells me otherwise. People HEAL and the HEALING COMES FROM WITHIN IN, non-verbally and very organically, once we can get out of the way.

I believe we need to use all aspects of ourselves, our Brains, our Hearts, and our Bodies/Minds to heal this very charged and triggering topic, particularly when sexuality, just like fear is part of our survival mechanism as a Species. That is what makes it so complex and challenging!

I do believe we can heal this SLPIT in our Collective Psyches by acknowledging our WHOLENESS. The Prepatrator is just the other side of the same coin as the Victim. It is when we create the separation and deny our HUMANITY that keeps the division in place. As long as we are unable to see ourself in the other these camps will always be at odds.

I will always be one to promote HEALING, not harsh judgments, nor life sentences. AND, I believe brain-science, which has non-verbal body memory at the core, will not only one day revolutionize the trying and treatment of sex offenders, I hope it influences sentencing, treatment, and registries. I do believe after doing some of my own online research into some of the organizations who treat sex offenders in California this is already occurring in the treatment models.

People make mistakes, and punishments need to serve the crime. What I have witnessed on these forums is often that is not the case. Obviously, this is my bias, yet it is not meant to demean your or your blog. I hope to refine your knowledge base so you too can be one of the enlightened ones when it comes to the BODY and not only the evidence that it holds non-verbally, but the healing that it is capable of.

We'll just have to disagree on a few of your points. My experience with this issue has always been been seeing the other side as clouded by constant appeals to emotion (which I would called the "heart.").

While it is true the other side has dehumanized us (seeing us "without a heart"), that mindset has also created a stereotype that makes it hard to see abuse taking place when it is not a bush-dwelling-candy-waving-trench-coat-wearing-rusty-van-driving dirty old man. I believe one of the main reasons why so much alleged abuse does not get reported is because it is hard to believe nice Uncle Ray or Coach Joe could EVER do such a thing, my HEART says he's a nice man, goes to Church every Sunday, volunteers at the soup kitchen, etc.

People who misunderstand the Bible believe that separating the non-physical aspects of our being (MIND and HEART) is stupid, but the we understand emotions are different from our thoughts. We can have the exact same thought but a different reaction to it. We can conceptualize a hot steaming bowl of Skyline Chili, and while I think it is a bowl of heaven on earth, you may think it what they serve in hell.

I think it is a semantic issue more than anything. HOWEVER, I'd rather the laws were not based on blind emotions clouded by "the heart."

Great discussion once fallen! It is semantics, and if we word our thought and facts as they truly are I PRAY we can create the change WE NEED, even in the Vigilantes HEARTS :).

If one understands psychology and even the BOBY, not the bible, one knows that emotions do not originate in the HEART ... they originate in the MIND and have reactive impacts on the BODY.

If one looks at the development of any mammalian organism within the first few weeks of gestation one begins to see that the HEART is the first organ to form. It begins beating before we even have a brain or a spinal cord. IT CONNECTS US TO THE MYSTERY that brought us here from the beginning of our existence, before we even have a BRAIN or a nervous system.

As we develop the heart then becomes innervated by various branches of the Autonomic Nervous System (ANS), which controls all of our survival mechanisms that are out of conscious control. This is why any accusations of sexual abuse get so crazy !!! Be honestly cannot THINK clearly when even just accusations are made because EVERYONE'S survival mechanisms kick in. This is why trials are difficult and this is why there is so much FEAR post release for those who have served time for sexual offenses. Due to the way we are wired we REACT in survival mode. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE NEED TO GET RIDE OF THE REGISTRIES.

We have ways to CALM our ANS system through the breathe - long exhales are the best, as is just following the breathe without needing to "do" anything or forces anything, yet trusting in the innate wisdom of the organism, calming music is helpful, as is spending time quietly in nature,


The HEART itself doesn't judge, it pumps and stays present for all that is WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. It is the mind that creates the thoughts that judge. Too many people if not MOST people out there do not understand this, so sadly enough to say, just like the Jews in Germany, those on the Registry could easily become targets.

It is not HUMANE or Christian do treat another person in this way, and Brain Science may help us win our argument with not only the Vigilantes, but those in positions of power who, if they act with wisdom, can create more harmony in and for their communities.

I would LOVE to have this conversation with those that you mention in your post because again, they are INGNORANT of the FACTS.

I thank you for the opportunity to clarify my points, since I believe these are also things RSOL organizations NEED to KNOW, as they go to various governmental agencies in their fight to reform the laws.

... clouding anything with manipulation is abuse, it is not fact and it does NOT belong in a court of law.

FACTS need to convict people. I hear you and agree with your statement that those who experience any sort of accusations are, a very very high percentage of the time even in trials convicted on EMOTION, not FACT.

That is where the body, as evidence, needs to come in, both in sentencing and in treatment, as well as assigning those who may do harm to a Registry for any length of time.

We are on the same ship once fallen and we need all the help we can get to steer her in the right directions!

I KNOW we have the MYSTERY on our side because the Mystery speaks to us through our bodies and allows healing to happen through the heart through FORGIVENESS.

... there WILL COME A DAY :)!!