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All Independent does is advocate on this site and he is a broken record! What ever happened to NO advocating?
-Freebird1956
My response is just take a couple minutes and read the posts I copied here, they are from the last is look 2 and a half weeks.
On Polygraph:
• Reply #14 07/25/14 4:55am
Braininterrupted is 100% right. If you want to know more information on poly stuff, check this site from the APA. Even the American psychological association thinks the poly is BS.
http://www.apa.org/research/action/...
• Reply #20 07/26/14 1:44pm
Yep, a judge can order no poly's or a lot of different things for that matter. You just need to get it in writing and ask for a copy to be sent to his PO. Usually a good lawyer will have those things entered into the record as a part of sentencing, but you should still be able to get it done.
• Reply #25 07/28/14 3:39am
No doubt agree with you there Rew. Of course it should be taken as a mitigating factor, the question is to what extent? Like you said that's a big can of worms.
• Reply #28 07/30/14 12:38pm
Just do not tell your polygrapher that you went to sites that question what they do. They don't like that, found that out from personal experience.
On Public Defenders:
• Reply #20 07/30/14 4:40am
Braininterrupted brings up a really good point about not talking to your loved ones when you are still being prosecuted for your case. They can and most likely will be called to the stand to testify AGAINST YOU by the prosecution if you talked to them about your case. What you say to your lawyer is protected under attorney client privilege. Though you may even consider what to say to your attorney, because whatever you tell him/her can change the defenses they are allowed to use. They cannot put you on the stand if they know you are going to lie, that's called suborning perjury. You can also talk to your legal spouse because what you say to them is also covered by spousal privilege, though it depends on your specific state to see how much that covers. Some spouses are allowed to testify against their spouse if they want to.
But the general message Rew is bringing up is be careful with what you say pretty much at all times. Letters get read, emails get read, what you say may be recorded. Just assume that it is and go from there.
On what to expect when going on probation:
• Reply #8 07/30/14 4:22am
Probation is not a cake wake, it is certainly much better than prison though. His PO will basically be able to control anything that they deem necessary to control. I had several different PO's in my time on probation, most were great but I did have one that was a real jerk. He thought he was doing me a favor trying to be a drill sergeant, once I got a job and completed therapy, the PO basically stopped bugging me.
Polygraphs were one of the worst things about being on probation. Having to pay for them, and having to deal with the polygrapher who is trying to trick you with voodoo science. Also going to the police station to register is my least favorite time of the year, it has ruined my birthday now for years. Police officers look at you like your are sub human, and they are generally jerks about the whole situation.
The key to probation is to not give your PO any thing negative to find, get on the right track before the PO has to even say anything to you about it. Get a job, get through therapy, find stable housing, avoid places you shouldn't be like the plague. I was going to court to pay a parking fine and I was parked across from a school (6 lanes of traffic separated my car and the school) and a cop who was running plates ran mine and it got flagged to my PO. I get a call asking why I was at a school, and I had to explain that I got a ticket and was paying it off and if he didn't believe me go look at the camera feed from the court house.
Probation was not a lot of fun, but at least I wasn't locked up. I could build a work history and do for the most part what I wanted to do. Stay on your PO's good side at all costs!
On the yale law article:
• Reply #5 07/27/14 2:58pm
"The Supreme Court’s serious due process concerns about punitive damages awards against large corporations—regarding fair notice and an ill-fitting, potentially prejudiced implementation process—apply just as powerfully to harsh civil regulations imposed on sex offenders after their criminal sentences. And any procedural inadequacies promise to take a heavier human toll for sex offenders than they do for big business. This Comment has proposed a straightforward doctrinal solution to these dangers for sex offenders’ due process rights: extending proportionality review, already applied to punitive damages awards, to sex offender restrictions. Proportionality principles should—and practically can—be applied to stem the tide of prejudicial and ill-informed burdens imposed indiscriminately on all sex offenders."
This whole piece is really well written, thank you for sharing. This gives me hope.
On the RSOL video:
• Reply #3 07/26/14 1:39pm
Very funny and well spoken, I hope she is right about the case of the police trying to give the 17 year old kid a woody being our pop tart gun scenario.
On Let Love be Love:
• Reply #9 07/27/14 5:07pm
Effiesteffie your words are definitely an encouragement to all. It makes me consider how lucky I am to have someone who loves and cares for me like you do for your guy. It is truly a blessing. I know everyone understands what it is like to be living with the registry, but as someone who feels judged everyday it's such a relief to find an outpouring of love when I go home.
On Patty Wetterling:
• Reply #2 07/25/14 4:45am
Yes I read this last year, so very happy to have someone like her on our side. I wonder what more she could do to help us?
• Reply #5 07/26/14 12:22pm
I don't care if I'm welcomed in her home or not. I care that she isn't he first voice if reason that people may actually listen to! I think peek has the right idea, she can still be an ally.
• Reply #10 07/27/14 2:40pm
Completely agree peek. Though most sex crimes are not committed by people on the registry so I think it may be just info for the police that doesn't help them much. Nevertheless if we can trade the current registry for a LE only registry, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
God Bless America:
• Reply #13 07/25/14 4:56am
This is one of the funniest yet saddest things I've ever seen.
I am a rape survivor and I married a sex offender:
• Reply #4 07/22/14 4:22pm
Your husband is really the luckiest man on earth! I also think it is a unique opportunity to get to see who will stand by you and who won't. I've lost friends, but made some genuine friends who have been with me through everything.
Thank you for sharing your story, it's heartbreaking what has happened to you, but also it shows your heart for your husband.
Pro Bono Help:
• Reply #1 07/17/14 6:41pm
Unfortunately it is really hard to find an attorney to do anything pro bono. I haven't found any in my neck of the woods.
• Reply #3 07/17/14 10:06pm
I looked into going into law school so I could help out people, but 200k to do so with not many jobs available. No thanks.
Another Floriduh Moment:
• Reply #5 07/15/14 5:55pm
JLR2299, get out of Florida if you can. Almost every other state is better for your son to live in than floriduh.
And who knew that this county sheriff Judd had a doctorate in psychology? The guy is crazy.
Today’s court appearance:
• Reply #2 07/17/14 10:08pm
Dragging things out is the worst part about! Some of the people talking about CP convictions had loved ones whose homes were raided but no charges for a long time afterwards, that's just crazy!
Dad just got arrested:
• Reply #2 07/12/14 4:49pm
If he just got arrested today, then the hearing on Monday will be his initial appearance. The judge will read the charges against him and will find out if he is represented by council. If you cannot afford one, you will be appointed a public defender.
Just a word of warning in these cases, if he is being charged, they already have the evidence to put him away. So basically the public defender's job is to get the best plea bargain possible for your dad, because if you don't take a plea he will end up doing a lot more time.
• Reply #4 07/13/14 2:41pm
If you can afford a lawyer I would recommend it. I just don't trust public defenders to not get ran over by the prosecutors office. Though if you get a good public defender you will probably get the same result as a more affordable attorney. Basically they have all they need to win the case or they wouldn't have arrested him. I would ask Rew about more specifics to tell your dad before he goes into prison. Your dad will want to make up another reason he in jail besides the crime he is really in for.
I'm so sorry, I hope for the best possible outcome for your family. Let's hope the judge that the prosecutors office feels lenient and agrees for a minimum sentence.
• Reply #6 07/13/14 5:00pm
Yeah and what Nakohichi is saying about forensics, they can definitely help the situation. It can turn the table a little bit in your dad's favor. Of course all of this, a lawyer and forensics cost money. But if it keeps your dad from getting a long sentence it would be worth it.
• Reply #8 07/14/14 1:56am
Lawyers can only work with the hand they are dealt, they usually cannot work miracles. But there is a difference between inexperienced attorneys and experienced ones .
Let us know how it goes tomorrow,
-independent
• Reply #13 07/14/14 9:49pm
Ask your dad if he might accept money from your uncle for the forensics investigation and go with the Public Defender. That could be a good way for him to go. Are you going to get a chance to visit him or are you out of the country?
Please begging for help:
• Reply #7 07/12/14 12:16pm
Oh my gosh. I don't know where to start, this is wrong on so many levels. I hope you win your appeal. I'm so sorry.
Very Confused:
• Reply #1 07/15/14 1:18am
What lawyer said sex offenses could be sealed?
• Reply #3 07/15/14 1:46am
I don't know of any state that allows you to seal a sex conviction unless it is for a juvenile adjudication. If he says that he can do that for you, I'd get that in writing because I don't believe that's possible. Also once you et it in writing call the state bar to make sure he is a lawyer in good standing with the bar.
You may want to get that info. Unfortunately like we have all been telling you, you either misheard this lawyer, or he lied or doesn't understand the law. The best thing you can do is track the lawyer down again get everything that he says he is going to do for you in writing. ALWAYS have it in writing, people can deny a conversation it's tough to deny a letter. Then check this up with the state bar.
-Freebird1956
My response is just take a couple minutes and read the posts I copied here, they are from the last is look 2 and a half weeks.
On Polygraph:
• Reply #14 07/25/14 4:55am
Braininterrupted is 100% right. If you want to know more information on poly stuff, check this site from the APA. Even the American psychological association thinks the poly is BS.
http://www.apa.org/research/action/...
• Reply #20 07/26/14 1:44pm
Yep, a judge can order no poly's or a lot of different things for that matter. You just need to get it in writing and ask for a copy to be sent to his PO. Usually a good lawyer will have those things entered into the record as a part of sentencing, but you should still be able to get it done.
• Reply #25 07/28/14 3:39am
No doubt agree with you there Rew. Of course it should be taken as a mitigating factor, the question is to what extent? Like you said that's a big can of worms.
• Reply #28 07/30/14 12:38pm
Just do not tell your polygrapher that you went to sites that question what they do. They don't like that, found that out from personal experience.
On Public Defenders:
• Reply #20 07/30/14 4:40am
Braininterrupted brings up a really good point about not talking to your loved ones when you are still being prosecuted for your case. They can and most likely will be called to the stand to testify AGAINST YOU by the prosecution if you talked to them about your case. What you say to your lawyer is protected under attorney client privilege. Though you may even consider what to say to your attorney, because whatever you tell him/her can change the defenses they are allowed to use. They cannot put you on the stand if they know you are going to lie, that's called suborning perjury. You can also talk to your legal spouse because what you say to them is also covered by spousal privilege, though it depends on your specific state to see how much that covers. Some spouses are allowed to testify against their spouse if they want to.
But the general message Rew is bringing up is be careful with what you say pretty much at all times. Letters get read, emails get read, what you say may be recorded. Just assume that it is and go from there.
On what to expect when going on probation:
• Reply #8 07/30/14 4:22am
Probation is not a cake wake, it is certainly much better than prison though. His PO will basically be able to control anything that they deem necessary to control. I had several different PO's in my time on probation, most were great but I did have one that was a real jerk. He thought he was doing me a favor trying to be a drill sergeant, once I got a job and completed therapy, the PO basically stopped bugging me.
Polygraphs were one of the worst things about being on probation. Having to pay for them, and having to deal with the polygrapher who is trying to trick you with voodoo science. Also going to the police station to register is my least favorite time of the year, it has ruined my birthday now for years. Police officers look at you like your are sub human, and they are generally jerks about the whole situation.
The key to probation is to not give your PO any thing negative to find, get on the right track before the PO has to even say anything to you about it. Get a job, get through therapy, find stable housing, avoid places you shouldn't be like the plague. I was going to court to pay a parking fine and I was parked across from a school (6 lanes of traffic separated my car and the school) and a cop who was running plates ran mine and it got flagged to my PO. I get a call asking why I was at a school, and I had to explain that I got a ticket and was paying it off and if he didn't believe me go look at the camera feed from the court house.
Probation was not a lot of fun, but at least I wasn't locked up. I could build a work history and do for the most part what I wanted to do. Stay on your PO's good side at all costs!
On the yale law article:
• Reply #5 07/27/14 2:58pm
"The Supreme Court’s serious due process concerns about punitive damages awards against large corporations—regarding fair notice and an ill-fitting, potentially prejudiced implementation process—apply just as powerfully to harsh civil regulations imposed on sex offenders after their criminal sentences. And any procedural inadequacies promise to take a heavier human toll for sex offenders than they do for big business. This Comment has proposed a straightforward doctrinal solution to these dangers for sex offenders’ due process rights: extending proportionality review, already applied to punitive damages awards, to sex offender restrictions. Proportionality principles should—and practically can—be applied to stem the tide of prejudicial and ill-informed burdens imposed indiscriminately on all sex offenders."
This whole piece is really well written, thank you for sharing. This gives me hope.
On the RSOL video:
• Reply #3 07/26/14 1:39pm
Very funny and well spoken, I hope she is right about the case of the police trying to give the 17 year old kid a woody being our pop tart gun scenario.
On Let Love be Love:
• Reply #9 07/27/14 5:07pm
Effiesteffie your words are definitely an encouragement to all. It makes me consider how lucky I am to have someone who loves and cares for me like you do for your guy. It is truly a blessing. I know everyone understands what it is like to be living with the registry, but as someone who feels judged everyday it's such a relief to find an outpouring of love when I go home.
On Patty Wetterling:
• Reply #2 07/25/14 4:45am
Yes I read this last year, so very happy to have someone like her on our side. I wonder what more she could do to help us?
• Reply #5 07/26/14 12:22pm
I don't care if I'm welcomed in her home or not. I care that she isn't he first voice if reason that people may actually listen to! I think peek has the right idea, she can still be an ally.
• Reply #10 07/27/14 2:40pm
Completely agree peek. Though most sex crimes are not committed by people on the registry so I think it may be just info for the police that doesn't help them much. Nevertheless if we can trade the current registry for a LE only registry, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
God Bless America:
• Reply #13 07/25/14 4:56am
This is one of the funniest yet saddest things I've ever seen.
I am a rape survivor and I married a sex offender:
• Reply #4 07/22/14 4:22pm
Your husband is really the luckiest man on earth! I also think it is a unique opportunity to get to see who will stand by you and who won't. I've lost friends, but made some genuine friends who have been with me through everything.
Thank you for sharing your story, it's heartbreaking what has happened to you, but also it shows your heart for your husband.
Pro Bono Help:
• Reply #1 07/17/14 6:41pm
Unfortunately it is really hard to find an attorney to do anything pro bono. I haven't found any in my neck of the woods.
• Reply #3 07/17/14 10:06pm
I looked into going into law school so I could help out people, but 200k to do so with not many jobs available. No thanks.
Another Floriduh Moment:
• Reply #5 07/15/14 5:55pm
JLR2299, get out of Florida if you can. Almost every other state is better for your son to live in than floriduh.
And who knew that this county sheriff Judd had a doctorate in psychology? The guy is crazy.
Today’s court appearance:
• Reply #2 07/17/14 10:08pm
Dragging things out is the worst part about! Some of the people talking about CP convictions had loved ones whose homes were raided but no charges for a long time afterwards, that's just crazy!
Dad just got arrested:
• Reply #2 07/12/14 4:49pm
If he just got arrested today, then the hearing on Monday will be his initial appearance. The judge will read the charges against him and will find out if he is represented by council. If you cannot afford one, you will be appointed a public defender.
Just a word of warning in these cases, if he is being charged, they already have the evidence to put him away. So basically the public defender's job is to get the best plea bargain possible for your dad, because if you don't take a plea he will end up doing a lot more time.
• Reply #4 07/13/14 2:41pm
If you can afford a lawyer I would recommend it. I just don't trust public defenders to not get ran over by the prosecutors office. Though if you get a good public defender you will probably get the same result as a more affordable attorney. Basically they have all they need to win the case or they wouldn't have arrested him. I would ask Rew about more specifics to tell your dad before he goes into prison. Your dad will want to make up another reason he in jail besides the crime he is really in for.
I'm so sorry, I hope for the best possible outcome for your family. Let's hope the judge that the prosecutors office feels lenient and agrees for a minimum sentence.
• Reply #6 07/13/14 5:00pm
Yeah and what Nakohichi is saying about forensics, they can definitely help the situation. It can turn the table a little bit in your dad's favor. Of course all of this, a lawyer and forensics cost money. But if it keeps your dad from getting a long sentence it would be worth it.
• Reply #8 07/14/14 1:56am
Lawyers can only work with the hand they are dealt, they usually cannot work miracles. But there is a difference between inexperienced attorneys and experienced ones .
Let us know how it goes tomorrow,
-independent
• Reply #13 07/14/14 9:49pm
Ask your dad if he might accept money from your uncle for the forensics investigation and go with the Public Defender. That could be a good way for him to go. Are you going to get a chance to visit him or are you out of the country?
Please begging for help:
• Reply #7 07/12/14 12:16pm
Oh my gosh. I don't know where to start, this is wrong on so many levels. I hope you win your appeal. I'm so sorry.
Very Confused:
• Reply #1 07/15/14 1:18am
What lawyer said sex offenses could be sealed?
• Reply #3 07/15/14 1:46am
I don't know of any state that allows you to seal a sex conviction unless it is for a juvenile adjudication. If he says that he can do that for you, I'd get that in writing because I don't believe that's possible. Also once you et it in writing call the state bar to make sure he is a lawyer in good standing with the bar.
You may want to get that info. Unfortunately like we have all been telling you, you either misheard this lawyer, or he lied or doesn't understand the law. The best thing you can do is track the lawyer down again get everything that he says he is going to do for you in writing. ALWAYS have it in writing, people can deny a conversation it's tough to deny a letter. Then check this up with the state bar.
If someone has issues they are supposed to talk to an admin about it... Period.
This sounds like a thread that is about to turn ugly fast... if it does, this is the warning... I will delete the entire thread... Warning given.
I don't care who started it... I don't care what has happened in the past... who dun it, whatever... don't care... From here on out civility, no exceptions.
I realize some people can't get along well enough to be in large groups and they would rather fight with
People trying to help rather than the many online bullies regarding RSO's and families. How many people have different opinions than you? Many!
I think your purpose is to divide and cause us to fight among each other. You just are not hearing what people are saying to you!
And to the idea that about minor sex offenses, how many people on this forum are here for urinating in public, R&J crimes, and streaking? I haven't heard of anyone that is on here for these crimes. Where are the stats that show that a large portion of the registry is on there for R&J, streaking, peeing in public?
And to my larger point on this post, why are all of my other posts not trying to divide anyone? Maybe I legitimately believe what I believe and am hoping people will realize the HOW. How we are saying what we are saying can change HOW we are being perceived.