Divorce after Twenty years together Community Group
I want to start something for those of us that were married for a long long time. I think that we face a little different issues than those who were dating for a few years or even married for shorter period of time. Being married for so long we have older children some have grandkids dealing with teenagers and their reaction to the divorice empty nesters dating after 40...
The Myth of the Amicable Divorce
CowgirlKathi
I found this article online last evening and it so clearly voices my own opinion on the subject, I felt it worth sharing here.
The Myth of the Amicable Divorce
by Lauren Howard
You can divorce well or you can divorce badly and like with most things, there's a front and a back to both scenarios. How better to ameliorate our shame of our failure than to posture a divorce as a constructive motion toward benevolence? This is a lie you can't live with. In amicable divorce, someone is either compromising too much or they're hiding their animosity. "We've grown apart. No one's to blame." This is yet another lie. Growth, by virtue of itself, is new and different. It is neither predictable nor certain. You enter into marriage with the knowledge that you will traverse growth and navigate your changes as partners. Growing apart means you have stopped partnering. Someone has let go; lost their edge, and now the two parties are in a free fall...separately. So then, how can it be authentic for them to come to the business of divorce as one; unified and together?
When two people enter the ring of divorce with smiles on their faces and a song in their heart, the world around them is left confused and unsure as to what is expected from them. Lawyers can't do their jobs, mediators feel useless. Parents and children are completely bewildered and friends just want to fade away rather than manage this ambivalence. The divorcing couple wants an amicable divorce for the sake of the family, but they are actually making things harder for their families and confusing their children.
Some of the most damaging divorces are the most amicable ones, where the high ground respect and friendship of the Switzerland like ex-couple infiltrates both or either party's future and current relationships. These seemingly benign, friendly divorces create a hostility, jealousy and rancor that often percolates below the surface until it creates its own seismic shift in the landscape of any new, soon to be old, relationships; not to mention the current relationships with friends and families. The friendly divorce is too often based on the rejected party hoping to regain the love of the whistle blower. "I will always love him. He is the Father of my children." Is this meant to be consolation to families or a line of seduction to a prospective paramour? The fact that "the Father of your children" dumped you and gave seed to another woman's child while you were still under the illusion that the two of you were "working it out" is irrelevant. What you are clearly not "working out" is him out of your system, your heart and your rejected self. And until you do, you will be unlovable and unacceptable. You may be divorced, you may be unmarried but you are not available. You are just alone.
Except for your children, who are completely baffled by how their lives got turned upside down while their parents seem to be peachy keen. Taking the high road has taken on new stratospheric heights. Everyone is uncomfortable, except for the un-couple who bask in their "superior" amiability. How well children weather divorce has more to do with how their parents manage their conflict than the actual conflict or breakup itself. But it is simplistic to think that that means Mommy and Daddy should be best friends in order to insure the well being of their children. If they're such good friends, why didn't they stay married? What is marriage, then, is it not friendship? Is it not love? Is it really just about sleeping together? Because that seems to be the only thing that's changed in Mommy and Daddy's relationship. Is this the message about love and marriage that you want to teach your children? An honest relationship post-divorce is hard to attain but it is more important to self and others than any other aspect of the dissolution. Being best friends is not the answer any more than being arch enemies is.
No matter how or why two people come to the divorce table, one thing is for certain. At least one of the two are dissatisfied. And even if they both agree to disagree, in the words of Bob Dylan, "One of us cannot be wrong." There is a big difference between handling disagreement maturely and pretending there is no disagreement. Divorce does not have to be about hate, but it cannot be about love. Divorce is a business deal that is afflicted and compromised by the emotional instruments of the marriage. It is a beginning and it is an end. But it is not something that two people can accomplish while holding hands any more than it can be accomplished at gun point. You can't be afraid to be angry any more than you can be afraid to be kind. Marriage at its best is about love. Divorce at its best is about business. And while one is a union and one is a dissolution of a union, they are not opposites.
The Myth of the Amicable Divorce
by Lauren Howard
You can divorce well or you can divorce badly and like with most things, there's a front and a back to both scenarios. How better to ameliorate our shame of our failure than to posture a divorce as a constructive motion toward benevolence? This is a lie you can't live with. In amicable divorce, someone is either compromising too much or they're hiding their animosity. "We've grown apart. No one's to blame." This is yet another lie. Growth, by virtue of itself, is new and different. It is neither predictable nor certain. You enter into marriage with the knowledge that you will traverse growth and navigate your changes as partners. Growing apart means you have stopped partnering. Someone has let go; lost their edge, and now the two parties are in a free fall...separately. So then, how can it be authentic for them to come to the business of divorce as one; unified and together?
When two people enter the ring of divorce with smiles on their faces and a song in their heart, the world around them is left confused and unsure as to what is expected from them. Lawyers can't do their jobs, mediators feel useless. Parents and children are completely bewildered and friends just want to fade away rather than manage this ambivalence. The divorcing couple wants an amicable divorce for the sake of the family, but they are actually making things harder for their families and confusing their children.
Some of the most damaging divorces are the most amicable ones, where the high ground respect and friendship of the Switzerland like ex-couple infiltrates both or either party's future and current relationships. These seemingly benign, friendly divorces create a hostility, jealousy and rancor that often percolates below the surface until it creates its own seismic shift in the landscape of any new, soon to be old, relationships; not to mention the current relationships with friends and families. The friendly divorce is too often based on the rejected party hoping to regain the love of the whistle blower. "I will always love him. He is the Father of my children." Is this meant to be consolation to families or a line of seduction to a prospective paramour? The fact that "the Father of your children" dumped you and gave seed to another woman's child while you were still under the illusion that the two of you were "working it out" is irrelevant. What you are clearly not "working out" is him out of your system, your heart and your rejected self. And until you do, you will be unlovable and unacceptable. You may be divorced, you may be unmarried but you are not available. You are just alone.
Except for your children, who are completely baffled by how their lives got turned upside down while their parents seem to be peachy keen. Taking the high road has taken on new stratospheric heights. Everyone is uncomfortable, except for the un-couple who bask in their "superior" amiability. How well children weather divorce has more to do with how their parents manage their conflict than the actual conflict or breakup itself. But it is simplistic to think that that means Mommy and Daddy should be best friends in order to insure the well being of their children. If they're such good friends, why didn't they stay married? What is marriage, then, is it not friendship? Is it not love? Is it really just about sleeping together? Because that seems to be the only thing that's changed in Mommy and Daddy's relationship. Is this the message about love and marriage that you want to teach your children? An honest relationship post-divorce is hard to attain but it is more important to self and others than any other aspect of the dissolution. Being best friends is not the answer any more than being arch enemies is.
No matter how or why two people come to the divorce table, one thing is for certain. At least one of the two are dissatisfied. And even if they both agree to disagree, in the words of Bob Dylan, "One of us cannot be wrong." There is a big difference between handling disagreement maturely and pretending there is no disagreement. Divorce does not have to be about hate, but it cannot be about love. Divorce is a business deal that is afflicted and compromised by the emotional instruments of the marriage. It is a beginning and it is an end. But it is not something that two people can accomplish while holding hands any more than it can be accomplished at gun point. You can't be afraid to be angry any more than you can be afraid to be kind. Marriage at its best is about love. Divorce at its best is about business. And while one is a union and one is a dissolution of a union, they are not opposites.
I believe that the kind of divorce this article is about, is just about two people or at least one of them that can't let go. I have strongly believed that, particularly after everything I've read and what I know of other divorces, that this is very true.
We were obviously not supposed to be together. His hatred and animosity and endless accusations and gossip toward me combined with my aversion to him is proof of the fact that our divorce was completely and beyond a shadow of a doubt, necessary.
I can see how going the other way could confuse many people. I would confuse the divorced couple, I think. In our case there is no confusion. We can not be in each other's lives in any way, shape or form. We can't even pretend. I've never seen a bridge so burnt in my life or anyone's life I've known, except for other divorced couples in the same boat.
Brilliant article.
It sums up alot of whats in my screwed up little brain right now
While I don't advocate the nasty, rancorous "take no prisoners" route that many of us had to take, I think being too amicable can also be a bad thing too. As the article says being too friendly may mean that someone is not getting what they should be getting in the settlement because they want to be friends.
Good to think about.
He does want to be good friends. We are still planning on going to the ocean as a family, and doing other things as a family - as well as many things as the 2 separate families (only me or stbx). Awhile ago we explained to the kids that we loved each other as friends, but not as husband and wife, and that is why we were having to get divorced. I hope it is not confusing to them?
I do plan on living within an easy walk for the kids (6yo and 10yo), at least for awhile til they are older. (At the moment, my br is in the basement and I am fixing up a livingroom and playroom down there, too.) This seems right to us, as we both want to see the kids a lot, as opposed to not seeing them for days.
I will not want my stbx to come into my new place without asking, though!
But perhaps I am missing something? We are filling out our own divorce papers. I am having my mom, who is visiting, look them over with me (she has a lot of legal experience) to be sure they look OK and I am not being shafted.
"What you are clearly not "working out" is him out of your system, your heart and your rejected self. And until you do, you will be unlovable and unacceptable. You may be divorced, you may be unmarried but you are not available. You are just alone."
I totally agree and even as I read that the first time knew that is what I need to do emotionally! You are right. So at least I am not too out of it in that regard! I'm working on it.
What I may not see, and what the article is saying, is that maybe I am making bad choices because of this? I will reflect on it.
He was kind, polite and trying to convince me he didn't marry that woman. He didn't ask her to live with him in Trinidad. She just flew all the way from China to Trinidad on her own. Again I kept my mouth shut and my ears open. We did have a friendly divorce. I'm not one to hold grudges but I did ask for what I wanted and needed. He gave me everything I asked for. I don't know what his game plan was. Well, I know but again I kept my mouth shut and my ears open. He had told his paralegal he intended to travel the world and when he was tired of the women he would come home and help me on the farm. She kindly let me know his plans. There was no sense in being ugly, fighting or being nasty. I was just so done and was getting out. Right after the divorce was final he got very ugly. I guess his life didn't go the way he had planned. I'm out and happy with a very busy life.
But on reading this I can see how our amicable divorce upset our daughter. Always she was in my thoughts on everything I did. I knew she was in denial and I guess the friendly divorce sent mixed signals to her. Maybe the divorce should have been open war fare. But I so hate arguing and fighting over stuff. I got what I wanted without that.
I tried to have the X involved with the kids at my home, have him eat dinner with us, spend Christmas at our home with the kids. He felt free to ignore me, grab a bite of something other than the dinner prepared and after insisting on coming to my home for Christmas with the kids acted bored and ready to leave. Wasn't worth it. The kids have a better relationship with him now and I am not involved. They see him rarely and only on his terms (what he feels like doing) but that is who their father is. I ran interference for their sake all their lives. I took the brunt of the abuse to protect them.
My hope is that my children will know that the marriage we modeled is not a marriage to imitate. We are not amicable. I can barely stand him.
There are some heartless people out there who have so little feelings for others that they can pretend to be amicable to use you. Just a thought.