Divorce after Twenty years together Community Group
I want to start something for those of us that were married for a long long time. I think that we face a little different issues than those who were dating for a few years or even married for shorter period of time. Being married for so long we have older children some have grandkids dealing with teenagers and their reaction to the divorice empty nesters dating after 40...
Fantasy and Betrayal Bonds
Time4Kim
I've come to the point in my healing process where it's important for me to fully understand how I came to be in this place at this time in my life. I really want to move forward and start to leave the painful past behind me. But, I feel the weight of intense loss pushing down on me. Lately, it's been particularly difficult, and I am determined to understand why so I can move on. Although I'm a very sensitive person, I'm also very analytical. I need to understand the how and why so I can finally put something to rest. I realize that in divorce you don't always get that sort of closure. But, I needed to try and find it for my own peace of mind.
Cmonge posted about her efforts to redecorate her home and also mentioned the loss of the shared history in the divorce and how that affects us all. That loss is what I grieve the most. I suffer from a type of PTSD where flashbacks of moments and events flood in at very random and often inopportune times and escalate my anxiety and trigger intense emotional pain. These are all tied to that shared history. Some of them go way back, especially since I met my ex when we were only 15. So much of those memories and our history, in my mind, are based on what I perceived as a real connection and genuine love. But, I've come to understand that this may not be the case at all. With therapy and the use of other techniques, I've managed to somewhat diminish the relative trauma of the flashbacks. However, they tend to flare up during highly stressful times. I'm getting ready to graduate and there's a lot of uncertainty in my life right now, so this is one of those times. In my quest for answers, I happened across an article on Psychology Today that discussed the fantasy bond. When I read the description, the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. Here is the link to the article if you'd like to read it: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-experience/200812/the-fantasy-bond-substitute-truly-loving-relationship
Essentially, the fantasy bond is illusory and based on routines, established roles, and shared history. It often occurs when one or both partners have been hurt or neglected in childhood. It's usually a defense mechanism designed to create a more secure environment by perceiving a connection even when there isn't one. It tends to happen when an individual is in the process of becoming more independent of his/her parents (as in an overly emotional and hormone driven 15 year old). As you might imagine, this is a house of cards that will eventually crumble. According to the research behind this concept, relationships built on fantasy bonds (and not just romantic ones) are frighteningly prevalent. I was so intrigued by this that I ordered the book, The Fantasy Bond, by Dr. Robert Firestone. I'm still reading it, but already I think I see the pattern that evolved in my relationship with my ex. It's hard to rationalize and accept how someone who once loved you so strongly could just walk away after so many years. I know many of you have struggled with this in your divorces. But, if the bond you thought you had wasn't based on reality and was, instead, a very unhealthy mirage, that makes a whole lot more sense. Somehow, that's easier for me to accept and much easier for me to let go.
Similarly, I read about the betrayal bond. These are bonds formed after traumatic events or circumstances, like divorce, where emotions are incredibly intense and there's an exploitation of trust or power. This creates a link between a victim of abuse or betrayal and the person(s) who have harmed them that is very strong and often incredibly difficult to break. I understand the forces of energy, and how you can manifest certain things simply by focusing on them. So, this makes sense. I haven't read the book yet (The Betrayal Bond: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships by Patrick Carnes), but I suspect it will help to explain why these intense feelings keep lingering and make it hard for us to heal and move on.
Perhaps this won't help everyone. But, it has already helped me. It's easier for me to let go of my ex and our life together if I know or suspect that what we had wasn't the genuine and loving connection I perceived it to be. This would certainly explain why it was so easy for him to walk away and why none of our history together seems to matter to him at all. Weak bonds break easily. It's basic chemistry. The danger in this for anyone who may have had such a bond is that the still broken parts of us will attempt to relive the past and keep trying to establish new fantasy bonds. The book offers detailed help on how to break this cycle. I know that's important for me. I thought it might be helpful for many of you, too.
I hope this might shed some light on the how's and why's of the losses we've suffered in divorce. Perhaps it will help some of you to let go and move on, too. It certainly helps me to know that although I definitely made mistakes in my marriage, the relationship I thought I had with my ex wasn't a healthy one and was destined for failure regardless of all my years of trying to make things work. This is emotionally freeing for me. I no longer have to beat myself up for not trying harder or allow insidious thoughts that I'm not good enough to erode my mind and heart. In the very least, it's another tool in the toolbox to learn and grow from this ordeal so we can build better futures for ourselves.
Hugs to you all,
Kim
Cmonge posted about her efforts to redecorate her home and also mentioned the loss of the shared history in the divorce and how that affects us all. That loss is what I grieve the most. I suffer from a type of PTSD where flashbacks of moments and events flood in at very random and often inopportune times and escalate my anxiety and trigger intense emotional pain. These are all tied to that shared history. Some of them go way back, especially since I met my ex when we were only 15. So much of those memories and our history, in my mind, are based on what I perceived as a real connection and genuine love. But, I've come to understand that this may not be the case at all. With therapy and the use of other techniques, I've managed to somewhat diminish the relative trauma of the flashbacks. However, they tend to flare up during highly stressful times. I'm getting ready to graduate and there's a lot of uncertainty in my life right now, so this is one of those times. In my quest for answers, I happened across an article on Psychology Today that discussed the fantasy bond. When I read the description, the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. Here is the link to the article if you'd like to read it: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-experience/200812/the-fantasy-bond-substitute-truly-loving-relationship
Essentially, the fantasy bond is illusory and based on routines, established roles, and shared history. It often occurs when one or both partners have been hurt or neglected in childhood. It's usually a defense mechanism designed to create a more secure environment by perceiving a connection even when there isn't one. It tends to happen when an individual is in the process of becoming more independent of his/her parents (as in an overly emotional and hormone driven 15 year old). As you might imagine, this is a house of cards that will eventually crumble. According to the research behind this concept, relationships built on fantasy bonds (and not just romantic ones) are frighteningly prevalent. I was so intrigued by this that I ordered the book, The Fantasy Bond, by Dr. Robert Firestone. I'm still reading it, but already I think I see the pattern that evolved in my relationship with my ex. It's hard to rationalize and accept how someone who once loved you so strongly could just walk away after so many years. I know many of you have struggled with this in your divorces. But, if the bond you thought you had wasn't based on reality and was, instead, a very unhealthy mirage, that makes a whole lot more sense. Somehow, that's easier for me to accept and much easier for me to let go.
Similarly, I read about the betrayal bond. These are bonds formed after traumatic events or circumstances, like divorce, where emotions are incredibly intense and there's an exploitation of trust or power. This creates a link between a victim of abuse or betrayal and the person(s) who have harmed them that is very strong and often incredibly difficult to break. I understand the forces of energy, and how you can manifest certain things simply by focusing on them. So, this makes sense. I haven't read the book yet (The Betrayal Bond: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships by Patrick Carnes), but I suspect it will help to explain why these intense feelings keep lingering and make it hard for us to heal and move on.
Perhaps this won't help everyone. But, it has already helped me. It's easier for me to let go of my ex and our life together if I know or suspect that what we had wasn't the genuine and loving connection I perceived it to be. This would certainly explain why it was so easy for him to walk away and why none of our history together seems to matter to him at all. Weak bonds break easily. It's basic chemistry. The danger in this for anyone who may have had such a bond is that the still broken parts of us will attempt to relive the past and keep trying to establish new fantasy bonds. The book offers detailed help on how to break this cycle. I know that's important for me. I thought it might be helpful for many of you, too.
I hope this might shed some light on the how's and why's of the losses we've suffered in divorce. Perhaps it will help some of you to let go and move on, too. It certainly helps me to know that although I definitely made mistakes in my marriage, the relationship I thought I had with my ex wasn't a healthy one and was destined for failure regardless of all my years of trying to make things work. This is emotionally freeing for me. I no longer have to beat myself up for not trying harder or allow insidious thoughts that I'm not good enough to erode my mind and heart. In the very least, it's another tool in the toolbox to learn and grow from this ordeal so we can build better futures for ourselves.
Hugs to you all,
Kim
In that same vein, in Susan Anderson, C.S.W.'s book "The Journey from Abandonment to Healing" a similar scenario is played out -- those of us who were emotionally abandoned in childhood often seek a partner who we know will eventually abandon us. Why? Because deep inside, we don't believe we are worthy of love. That was me. I married a man who I knew would one day simply abandon me -- he treated me poorly and with little respect, yet I clung to him and tolerated all sorts of subtle emotional abuse. And when I look at it even more closely, I can see that the IMAGO was in play -- as I loved my father without reservation despite him being emotionally unavailable.
I am grateful for my divorce because it lead me to such an amazing therapist who not only helped get me through the worst experience of my life so far, she taught me so many things about myself. I came away armed with a stockpile full of good information and self-knowledge. I am now well aware of the hallmarks of a healthy relationship vs. and unhealthy one.
But part of what Time4 said about bonds makes sense too. The exass suffered/suffers from the fantasy bond. Each wife (now on his 3rd) is put on a pedestal by him on how fantastic they are. So needless to say he will keep up doing what he's always done. And it will end the same way.
I had the betrayal bond for quite a while. I knew deep down the divorce wasn't my fault. But I wanted answers. He couldn't give them. Oh wait, he tried. But did I believe him? Hell no!! Now I am in a much better place. I love my life. May not be as full as I would like it but it is dang close. I have lots to be proud of.
Time4 hang in there. It's all a process. You will figure out many many things that you never realized before. But my salvation was coming across this group and hearing the similar stories. It helped me, wait I meant to say it HELPS me, get thru the tough times.
It sucks
Like Kathi, I married a man who didn't respect me. I raised our children, yet felt the respect he had for the women he worked with (he is now married to one of them). I FELT it. What I also felt throughout my entire marriage was a sense of loving him more than he loved me. He never made me feel special. I tolerated 7 years of mental and emotional abuse because of it. My ex told me when he said he was divorcing me that he never loved me like a husband should love a wife. I don'the think anything could have hurt me more. He also said, "Did you ever think we were just too different?" to which I wanted to respond, "Yea. I have morals and values and you don't."
Now it's his children who hurt me. My DD30 said to me once, "Where do you think we get our low self esteem from, MOM??" OUCH But, I still take pride in the morals and values I've lived my life by whether my daughters agree with them or not.
I read something once that the greatest gift a father can give to his children is to love their mother. What a shame that to so many men put their own happiness first as our exes all did. My father didn't and being married to my mother I'm sure has made him miserable from time to time. I think men like my father who is 80 and men of his generation are a dieing breed.
I feel like the last piece of the puzzle has been put into place, and now I can understand, accept, and let go. I'm glad you found such a remarkable therapist. I've had two very good ones myself. It helps so much!
timeforkim, it is my opinion that the books, the therapy are all helpful but they kind of sidestep the elephant pile in the room
there are only two kids of people in the world
those that are genuine / those that are full of shit
those that are genuine tend to be trusting and naive in that they may not be aware of those full of shit
those that are genuine tend not to look at whether they are being used as it is a strange concept to use someone
those that are geniune understand that all actions, even inaction, have consequences for themselves, consequences both good and bad, joyful and painful
those that are full of shit use the trust of others to get what they want, they only judge things from the perspective of "me happy = me must stay happy" , "me not happy = me gonna fix that for me" consequences of such don't matter as to those that are full of shit the only measure of life is me happy is better than me not happy
#5 starting over
"I read something once that the greatest gift a father can give to his children is to love their mother"
i agree, my father often told us kids that mommy was the greatest, the thing that ever happened to him and was his best friend (my mom told us similar about the ol' boy)
i often told my kids similar... that she'd be the best person to be in a foxhole with, trust your mother, she's the best person i know,,,, looking back i can't recall any awareness of her doing the same
respect my wife? with the "boys" i never complained about her quirks, why they came with the package and i was happy with package, bedroom things that she didn't like, we wouldn't do, no big deal about, i don't like heights
i think that a lot of people are raised with no conscience or to put it another way, they are raised under the delusion that there are no consequences to their actions beyond "i am happy - i am not happy"
this denies the fallout (consequences) on themselves and others
this juvenile view produces the; i'm sorry mentality, i'm sorry so you have to forgive me and move on
and WE marry people like that,
why?
because they are good a pretending to be real people and are exceptional manipulators since they don't feel the consequences can't empathize with those they manipulate
Lance Armstrong is a good example of this:
guy uses illegal sports enhancement drugs, gets testicular cancer - may not be lined to the uses of the illegal drugs, goes through recovery, dumps the girlfriend that supported him through it, meets new girl during this, recovers, cheats his ass off, attacks anyone that exposes the cheat, cheats on girlfriend that is mother of his kids with one of the olsen twins, Nike continues to use Lance to merchandise their stuff, it finally comes out that Lance was a big time cheater, ....well everybody does it, many people feel that he should keep his championships
Sick fffffffffing world
Lance is considered a champion, of what?
beating cancer? ok
using people with no remorse? YES
we marry people like Lance because they are masters of hiding the fact that they are full of shit
I married one of those full of shit guys. Kept him during all those "I'm sorry" times for way too long.
I salute you because you hit it right on
That said, ultimately time is the greatest healer of all imho! YES do the therapy, YES do the reading, YES make positive changes in your environment and in your personal life to help you start anew. But one thing is for sure: we can't hasten the natural, sometimes painfully slow progression of the days, months and years until we feel that sense of being at peace in our mind and spirit again. For some it takes longer than others - we're all different!
I think we all struggle with trying to sort through the memories and emotions and general shock, especially if we were the "dumpee". Over analyze "what went wrong"? Yep, check! It's been kind of a relief to STOP doing that actually. For me anyway!
Good, thought provoking post Kim! Hugs of support - you are getting there girl!!!