Divorce after Twenty years together Community Group
I want to start something for those of us that were married for a long long time. I think that we face a little different issues than those who were dating for a few years or even married for shorter period of time. Being married for so long we have older children some have grandkids dealing with teenagers and their reaction to the divorice empty nesters dating after 40...
Ex Still Spewing Poison - When Does it End?
Time4Kim
I am grateful that this past week I had my son and my daughter together for the first time in 3 years. It's been 3 years since that dreadful Mother's Day when my ex announced to me that we were separating. In that time, we've been divorced, he married the OW, and has now celebrated their first anniversary. My son, now 22, llives in CO near his father. I am in MO, midway between him and my daughter. I see my daughter fairly often. I usually only see my son once a year. I am lucky that I got to have him twice in the last 7 months.
We had some laughs though at times it felt awkward and strange. We used to laugh and cut up together. It used to feel so natural and happy. Those days are gone, I fear. I did get to spend a lot of time talking with my son. He's feeling very alone and struggling to make his way in the world. It certainly doesn't help that his father does nothing to help him when he needs it. While he may be 22, and a man in the eyes of the world, he's still very young inside and scared. He got thrown out into the world sooner than he was ready because of his father's affair and the destruction of our family. Now, he tells me that he's never going to get married, that marriage is a ridiculous institution. He then said, "nobody should have to be shackled to another person for the rest of their life." I know exactly where that comes from. I recognize his father's poison tongue when I hear it. This isn't the first time he's said something like this. He's told me a few times that if a marriage isn't working it's okay to walk away and do what you want. My sweet boy, who used to climb in my lap and tell me how much he loves me, has drank his father's toxic Koolaid. He's angry and bitter and seems to direct his anger more at me than at his father, even still. He bit my head off a few times for silly things. Now, to be fair, he's always done this. But, I thought he had turned a corner and gotten better. Now, I see that he's right back where he was before. At least he does recognize it and is taking some steps to work on it. So there's hope.
After I put him on the plane, I cried all the way home. I was so angry at my ex for what he did to our children and to our family. I haven't wailed in anger and sadness like that in quite a while. It didn't escape my notice that my ex is a hypocrite. On one hand, he's justifying what he did by saying he shouldn't have to stay in a marriage if he's unhappy - something he never said to me until the day he threw me out of our home in front of our children. Yet, he didn't waste any time marrying the OW and is now prancing around town showing her off and telling his children how wonderful life is now that he's with her. It makes my daughter sick how often he says stuff like that to her. My son doesn't say much about the OW. Thankfully, he usually only mentions how he had dinner with his father and doesn't mention HER, though I know she's there each time. I think he does that to spare my feelings. He did seem concerned for me when I shared some of my dating stories and showed me ways to protect myself.
Bottom line, I think my son is torn. He deeply admired his father and believed he was a good man. Then, all hell broke loose and he's conflicted. When I start to get close to my son, my ex starts up the toxic engine again and my son pulls away. My ex got what he wanted. He has her. He's rid of me. Why does he still keep spreading his poison? I guess it's not enough that he took away our family, which mattered most to me in the world.
I hate that my family is broken and will never be as it was again. I hate that my son doesn't believe in marriage and sees it as a burden, a prison, or worse. I hate that having my son and daugther together is so rare and awkward now. Divorce is such an insidious monster. It chews up all that is sacred and good and spits out torn and tattered pieces that we are left to put back together. Meanwhile, the persons responsible for the destruction move on with not a care or thought about what they have done. My mother keeps saying to me that Karma is a bitch. I can't wait for her to visit my ex and teach him a few lessons.
In the meantime, I have to pick up the pieces, lovingly hold them together, pray for peace and guidance, and keep moving forward, one day at a time.
We had some laughs though at times it felt awkward and strange. We used to laugh and cut up together. It used to feel so natural and happy. Those days are gone, I fear. I did get to spend a lot of time talking with my son. He's feeling very alone and struggling to make his way in the world. It certainly doesn't help that his father does nothing to help him when he needs it. While he may be 22, and a man in the eyes of the world, he's still very young inside and scared. He got thrown out into the world sooner than he was ready because of his father's affair and the destruction of our family. Now, he tells me that he's never going to get married, that marriage is a ridiculous institution. He then said, "nobody should have to be shackled to another person for the rest of their life." I know exactly where that comes from. I recognize his father's poison tongue when I hear it. This isn't the first time he's said something like this. He's told me a few times that if a marriage isn't working it's okay to walk away and do what you want. My sweet boy, who used to climb in my lap and tell me how much he loves me, has drank his father's toxic Koolaid. He's angry and bitter and seems to direct his anger more at me than at his father, even still. He bit my head off a few times for silly things. Now, to be fair, he's always done this. But, I thought he had turned a corner and gotten better. Now, I see that he's right back where he was before. At least he does recognize it and is taking some steps to work on it. So there's hope.
After I put him on the plane, I cried all the way home. I was so angry at my ex for what he did to our children and to our family. I haven't wailed in anger and sadness like that in quite a while. It didn't escape my notice that my ex is a hypocrite. On one hand, he's justifying what he did by saying he shouldn't have to stay in a marriage if he's unhappy - something he never said to me until the day he threw me out of our home in front of our children. Yet, he didn't waste any time marrying the OW and is now prancing around town showing her off and telling his children how wonderful life is now that he's with her. It makes my daughter sick how often he says stuff like that to her. My son doesn't say much about the OW. Thankfully, he usually only mentions how he had dinner with his father and doesn't mention HER, though I know she's there each time. I think he does that to spare my feelings. He did seem concerned for me when I shared some of my dating stories and showed me ways to protect myself.
Bottom line, I think my son is torn. He deeply admired his father and believed he was a good man. Then, all hell broke loose and he's conflicted. When I start to get close to my son, my ex starts up the toxic engine again and my son pulls away. My ex got what he wanted. He has her. He's rid of me. Why does he still keep spreading his poison? I guess it's not enough that he took away our family, which mattered most to me in the world.
I hate that my family is broken and will never be as it was again. I hate that my son doesn't believe in marriage and sees it as a burden, a prison, or worse. I hate that having my son and daugther together is so rare and awkward now. Divorce is such an insidious monster. It chews up all that is sacred and good and spits out torn and tattered pieces that we are left to put back together. Meanwhile, the persons responsible for the destruction move on with not a care or thought about what they have done. My mother keeps saying to me that Karma is a bitch. I can't wait for her to visit my ex and teach him a few lessons.
In the meantime, I have to pick up the pieces, lovingly hold them together, pray for peace and guidance, and keep moving forward, one day at a time.
I'm ashamed to admit I have let a few things slip out of my mouth to my kids about their father but always regretted it. I try really hard to the ugly words in my head and the loving words about my ex vocalized when I'm around them. I know anything mean I say about him, they will take personally because after all, they are part of him.
I wouldn't worry too much about your son saying he never wants to marry because of X,Y,and Z. He is so young and is just working through his own anger about the divorce. My oldest told me he would never marry and have kids also and here he is at 27, happily married to the love of his life. He wants to have a family with her too!
I think our children need to know that even though we are divorced now, here WAS love in our marriage at one time and that they were a product of our love. For that alone, we don't regret our choices. I think also instead of always pointing out the bad things we see in the other parent now, there were things we did love in
them.
I think you have much more forsight than I do Kim. You seem very loving and thoughtful as a parent. So I am sure your son will come back around with maturity.
This is going to take time. His views on marriage will change. While the divorce hurt us it also hurt our children more. It's been four years since my daughter has been back in my life. I'm still very careful when her dad's name is mentioned. We seldom talk about him but he did just what I knew he would do. When he couldn't use her any more he cut off contact. He is missing so much. The little granddaughter is 4 and baby Jackson will be 2 next month. He has never met his grandfather and probably never will.
Your son will learn to balance his new life between you and his father. Things will become less new and seem more natural that his parents are divorced. Yes, he is struggling but he will find his way. You will struggle with him because you are his mother. This is like our divorces. It will take more time. I hate that word.
My son was angry, hurt, and talked about not wanting to marry when the divorce process started, but he's a few years older now, has a lovely girlfriend, and is starting to entertain thoughts of marriage and family. Hopefully time and maturity will help bring your son around too.
My therapist told me the new will hopefully be another journey with memories of another Me (mom) with another man who will treat the kids just as special, as if they were his own... not to replace their dad, but to embrace the new relationship. Well see. I'm not sure I can see that far into the future for me yet either.
I'm sorry your ex has been immature enough to sound off on your son and cause him this additional unnecessary heartache, and create in him this jaded view of life. It creates confusion in kids when their parent is inconsistent like your ex is, and it's only natural that your son would be negative. I'm glad your daughter sees through your ex, but he's still causing her shame and heartache.
I think your ex is still trying to dodge taking his fair share of the blame for your divorce, so is heaping everything onto you, and building himself up by making you look bad and his new life look wonderful. It's called "levelling".
Your kids need your balanced and hopeful view of things now more than ever. Yes, after all the pain and heartache your ex has put you through, it is going to be you who picks up the pieces and lovingly holds your kids together. And I know you can do it.
love and hugs
kamary
Kamary, as always, you brighten my day and lift my spirit. Thank you. I know I'm by no means a perfect parent. I've made plenty of mistakes. But, I do genuinely love my children and would do anything for either of them. I've been a consistent presence in their lives and will continue to do so. My son actually apologized to me for his behavior, which is a first. So, there is hope that he is seeing things more clearly than it appears.
Thank you all for your words of encouragement and comfort. It really helps me to keep moving forward with hope.