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TW: Subject: Suicide (Directed at atheists.)
Thought: I don't agree that suicide is for everyone. I feel that people with transitional/temporary depression should be prevented from committing suicide. Now having said that...
(Questions are for people whose situations will last for decades or even life)
QUESTIONS?:
1. How long should the other types of ill/depressed people live through their suffering if their situation is not going to change?
2. How many of us are inclined to suffer for and with the ill/depressed person in hopes that their situation will change for the better?
3. How many of us will attempt to help these ill/depressed people before having to abandoning them to save our selves thus leaving them in the same or worse situation?
4. Why is it wrong for those people whose situation/s will not change for the better to commit suicide?
5. Are we selfish for wanting these people to live through their suffering just so we don't have to suffer the grief of not having them in our lives?
6. Why do we shame these people for wanting their suffering to end?
7. What gives us the right to judge how much these people should suffer through?
8. Why do we think we have the right to force anyone to live for any of our reasons?
Thought: I don't agree that suicide is for everyone. I feel that people with transitional/temporary depression should be prevented from committing suicide. Now having said that...
(Questions are for people whose situations will last for decades or even life)
QUESTIONS?:
1. How long should the other types of ill/depressed people live through their suffering if their situation is not going to change?
2. How many of us are inclined to suffer for and with the ill/depressed person in hopes that their situation will change for the better?
3. How many of us will attempt to help these ill/depressed people before having to abandoning them to save our selves thus leaving them in the same or worse situation?
4. Why is it wrong for those people whose situation/s will not change for the better to commit suicide?
5. Are we selfish for wanting these people to live through their suffering just so we don't have to suffer the grief of not having them in our lives?
6. Why do we shame these people for wanting their suffering to end?
7. What gives us the right to judge how much these people should suffer through?
8. Why do we think we have the right to force anyone to live for any of our reasons?
ok, so if i fall and break my arm. Should I go and get a cast? It may never heal, but I don't know that it will never heal. I would hope that it heals. That is the little thing we call hope....or as some call it, the light at the end of the tunnel.
Your questions don't make sense and are attempting to direct. The religious and atheists will answer these questions the same. If you wanted to direct them toward atheist then you would ask what happens after one is successful in committing suicide. After life is where you are going to get the differences, not in what we think about them during life.
I say I don"t want to be here and wish to stop taking all my meds and let nature take its course.
Buy this I mean no heart meds insulin and so forth I wiil go it will take time . I have been called a coward, selfish, I know what it feels like to be judged and yet NO ONE has walked in my shoes.
Also lots of people like to judge but so many of them have never had an attempt or even had the thought cross their minds. OH my I would never do that well some people just do not get it.
I say my life my choice. thats just me I am the one that is tired not them.
Addressing
"Also lots of people like to judge but so many of them have never had an attempt or even had the thought cross their minds. OH my I would never do that well some people just do not get it"
I have had the same experiences through out my life. It is why I made this post. I want to talk about it. I want some answers dammit! From anyone; but without religion attached. I'm tired of the "shaming" to shut me up.
I will check out the "what do you think" thread, thank you.
As far as I know there is only one definition of atheism, and that is that god does not exist. this is what I claim to know.
I want to add that my life has gone from worse to bad to worse back to bad and for now it is just below ok.
I feel I need to add that I am not suggesting that anyone commit or stop suicide.
Your homework is to see why "what I claim to know" about atheism is wrong. If you haven't figured it out, i will explain it when i get back.
I am in hospital on a section 3 to keep me SAFE they control my whole life and won't let me do anything I don't think it's there choce it's MY LIFE MY CHOCE
"People that think suicide is selfish clearly don't understand how if feels to want to end your life maybe it is selfish to want to end my pain and not want to suffer anymore but maybe it's selfish of other people not to let me do what I want to do"
I agree with you; and add that some people who have gotten better have the same problem.
I think it's sad that people, family and friends can't see Just how much someone is suffering. Suffering to the point of suicide. They seem to have no idea of the torturers life is putting that person through. They don't understand that such a person has try almost everything they and others could think of to help them and none of it worked, or made things worse for them. For me right now, the meds. I'm on just make life tolerable and I'm pissed off that after all these years it's the best that I can get. Where's my joy, my happiness?
Hope...yeah right!. I view hope as a torturer device. It keeps me living through my suffering, it won't let me get the peace I need.
Any takers on that point of view?
Totally agree on the hope thing too. I've found that it's much better to accept the worst, and if something better happens, then great. If I went into it with hope though, and it didn't get better or even got worse, then I would be crushed. There's a huge and powerful difference.
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Yes, the questions make a lot of sense. Before my life became irreversibly horrible, I believed that people shouldn't commit suicide either because life naturally has it's ups and downs, and it will get better. The problem lies in where the persons baseline is at on the graph. If it's pretty far down there to begin with then better still equals bad.
Oh, and I'm an atheist because I do not believe in a higher power, whatever you call that.
Your post seems to be asking if any one has a definitive confirmation to validate what you obviously already believe by posing the questions as you have......consider this
You find a house that is burning down:
1) do you call the fire department?
2) do you call your buddies to have a party?
3) do you get closer to help put out the fire?
4) do you get closer to cook the hot dogs U just happened to have?
For number one I ask why in the hell would you call the fire department? They obviously set the fire; hint: the name FIRE DEPARTMENT. Hay they are not called the "thermal extinguishing department" for a reason...!
For number two why would you call your buddies? Do you feel the need to hold hands and dance around the fire?
For number three well this one is a bit risky...if it is a crime..... then you are putting your self closer to a fiction than you might just ever want to be.
AND, for number four I have why in the hell would you ever and I mean ever want to use somebodies misfortune for your advantage?
As you can see these questions say allot about me and nothing about actual events if they ever unfolded that way.
BUT, the Oh I have depression *puts back of hand against forehead* now I'magona take my life cuzzz I know best bullshit is just that..pure bullshit.
As you might guess I do not think that depression is something you catch, no I actually think it is something that people like me and you actually talk our-self's into... sorry to try and lump you in with such bad company...but stubbing my toe does not give me depression BUT a bunch of fucked up shit through life has seemed to do the trick.... and there fore it seems my fucking house is on fire so the questions still remain...
1) do you call a bunch of shit heads who know nothing and only show up to save the carcass?
2)do you just party down with your friends...aka DS...?
3) actually try and help???
4)or just say "damm I am sooooo much better that that fuck!"
Oh the never ending questions... as you might be able to tell I seem to be stuck on number three and I do think that will never change but on the off chance it does I really think I just might call the thermal extinguishing department...just say'n...
P.S. I am an atheist.