with the first i am not sure as i dont take med. with the second, yeah i would kinda agree that its deliberately harming yourself in a sense. totally depends if its thoughts or actions x

sometimes it is thoughts and actions

If you are deliberately avoiding the things that help you ie therapy or meds, then yes it is a form of deliberate harm I think.
Like drinking too much or gambling away your savings you know that by skipping therapy and not taking meds will harm you but you choose to do it, does that make sense??
xxx

Hi Jen - I think it depends. In order to answer this question, you have to be very honest with yourself. On one hand, it may not be considered deliberate self-harm. Here's why: Sometimes, when you're really depressed, it's hard to muster up the energy and motivation to help yourself. I've been there before.. In fact, I'm there right now. When you're really depressed, your head is going haywire and you can't think clearly. You may feel so hopeless or trapped that you say to yourself, 'What's the point in taking these pills or getting help?" You might feel nothing can help you, even though that's not true.. You only feel that way because you're depressed. That's what depression does to you.. It makes you feel as if you've fallen in to a well and someone is reaching a pole to try to fish you out, but you can't move your hands or legs. The help is right there but you can't reach out and grab it. On the contrary, if you are consumed by self-hate and loathing, you begin to identify yourself as a horrible person and may feel as if you don't deserve treatment. In this case, you may be engaging in deliberate self-harm. You have to ask yourself that question: Why don't I want this help? Is it because A. I just can't seem to find the energy to do anything, or is it because B. I am beginning to hate myself and I don't deserve help? If the answer is A, you should enlist friends/family or some kind of support (therapist, counselor, doctor, anyone) to help you physically get to the treatment you need. This means getting someone to drive you to the doctor or force you to the hospital if you're suicidal. If the answer is B., you have to tell your counselor or a trusted friend that you feel self-destructive. A counselor will work with you on figuring out why it is that you feel this way about yourself.. Hopefully, if you resolve that issue, you will get to the point that you want treatment and you will want to get the help you need to fully recover. Hope this helps you. I'm not a professional, but I am seriously depressed and I'm drawing from experience. Best of luck to you.

It's not that I am being stupid, well at times I do think I am very stupid and can't do anything right. I am just at a point that I hate myself so much, that I don't care what happens to me.

If those meds are part of what makes you function properly then yes it is deliberately harming yourself because you need them to live a functioning normal life. Yes to question 2 too!!

Jen - read my post! You just said that you hate yourself and you don't care what happens. That means that you are probably deliberately hurting yourself by ignoring the help being offered to you. You hate yourself and feel you don't deserve it or don't care about getting help. You need to reach out to a trusted friend or family member... Or a counselor.. or both! You have to tell them that you can't seem to muster up the energy to do anything and you hate yourself. You need to tell them that you NEED their support in order to get better. That means they better force to take your pills and be there by your side to motivate you

I do have a counselor and a doctor that I trust, and we are trying to work through these issues, but I only see my counselor every two weeks. and at home I don't have anyone I can talk to or get support from. My parents don't know everything that is going on and I really don't have any friends.
Even with the support I have with my counselor and doctor, I still hate myself more than ever

My commander, Wandering Vet has said you are new here, so I have come to welcome you to our little booby hatch. I used to have suicidal ideation. Self harm is a sort of escape hatch from that, but a very dangerous one. Please take only your own prescribed medication, and stay in touch with the friends you will be certain to make on this site. You are a good person, and you do not have to keep feeling like this. Huggz!

Stopping your meds without doctor's advice can do serious harm, depending on the med of course. If you know you may hurt yourself and don't tell the doctor then you are knowingly putting yourself in a position to hurt yourself without interference.

"If someone is on a medication treatment plan for depression, plus they take others meds, if they skip taking their meds for awhile or just stop all together, is this considered deliberately harming themself?"

If they do not realize they are harming themselves by not taking their medication properly, they are not DELIBERATELY harming themselves.

If they do realize it and still don't, they ARE deliberately harming themselves.

"Second question: If you ingore getting help or telling your doctor that you are in danager is that considered deliberately harming yourself"

Sortof. Usually, the phrase "deliberately harming oneself' involves a person actively injuring themselves .. like cutting or burning. In the cases above, technically they are deliberately harming themselves, but not CLASSICALLY speaking.