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I also just changed my oxygen tubing pack to the salter green hose and that seemed to help. I had been using soft hose but my cat likes to chase the hose as I wander thru the house and it may have had some pin holes in it from her claws. The awful green hose that doesn't lie flat to the floor is at least stronger.
zelli= the green hoses are sturdier? do they curl up & kink as much as the clear ones?
i went to 10' lines with swivels every 10' but lately they seem to curl up & kink as bad as the long line.
once i had green line & it seemed not to do this so bad---do you think green line could help this problem??
All though the soft hose is more comfortable on the face my oxygen person told me not use them with pulse dose conservers. He said they don't work as well with them. That I should use the regular salter cannulas.
Green and Salter hoses do tend to roll/coil (not lie flat) and maintain a memory, this is partly due to the material used and partly by design. You can straighten them by immersion in hot water (seal off both ends) and then stretching them straight.
Green and Salter hoses share a few common limitations with Soft Hoses when it comes to pulse or conserver use a general inability to work well with additional inline devices (humidifiers, reservoirs, flow meters, etc.) and longer lengths (>35). Soft hoses have the additional limitation of requiring a specific size to match required flow requirements, while Green and Salter hoses (all sizes) handle a much broader range of flows.
However, Im not aware of any particular restriction based on whether one is using continuous or pulse. It would be interesting the next time you talk to your oxygen person to find out specifically why they felt Soft Hoses dont work as well with them (conservers). Always good to learn something new.
Also I told a friend about softhose that had recently purchased a Inogen G2 portable. She found that the salter hose worked better on it. Now I am wondering if that was the reason that I couldn't use the pulse dose conservers.
However, I did come up with a few interesting facts. No vendor of pulse devices (whether dual or single lumen, or electronic or pneumonic**) recommend using any cannula longer than 7. No specific reasons given, just the occasional general observation that delivery would be less accurate if one did.
As an idle test I took approximately 20 of soft hose and green hose I had around (Yes Im a packrat and generally bored) and jury-rigged a U-Tube on the end. Pulse devices are triggered by partial vacuum created when one takes a breath. Making a few simple totally unscientific observations by drawing on one end (a la a straw) I did notice that soft tubing appears to introduce a *delay* In both the time it took to change the level in the u-tube and the time it took for the level to return to homeostasis. Delay was barely perceptible with green hose. I also noticed with decreasing amounts of suction there was a point where soft tubing displayed no effect while green tubing always appeared to always produce some effect. My general conclusion therefore is that soft hoses do introduce a damping effect compared to channeled hard hoses therefore it probably isnt surprising that people will experience issues with long hoses and pulse devices. But in any case using a hose longer than 7 with any Pulse Device is not recommended by the industry at large.
[* Information from vendors of POCs was even more sketchy, as well as information from LOX systems. (LOX bottles contain internal conservers.) It should also be noted that each device often had additional timing mechanisms to deliver an equivalent liter per minute and not totally dependent upon a single inhale I would definitely expect different devices to perform either better or worse under different conditions.]
Frankly, after continuing to piddle with various hose combinations (and the few devices I have available) Ive come to the general conclusion that there are simply too many factors (objective and subjective) involved with any particular configuration to be able to accurately predict what will work or not work.
It appears trial n error is likely the only reliable method to find out what will work for any individual.
I use stiff cannulas and 'green hose'. Works for me.
Sometimes I just have to stop. Because that's all I can do. And let stuff go. It'll all be there in the spring. Hopefully I will be too. Ha. Hugs.