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This is a place for everyone who loves Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior (or those who are seeking Him), to come and discuss important issues in their lives and find support from fellow believers in regards to their faith and life. We uphold the Bible and living a Christ-like life, not as a way to heaven, but as a reflection of our love for God.
After I was diagnosed with my “auto immune disease” I was laying in bed just about to go to sleep and I felt God place Luke 13:12 on my heart, I got my Bible app out and it said
“When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!””
Luke 13:12 NLT
Now is that promise of healing? Did God saying that I AM healed of my sickness/disease that I AM going to be healed, I know healing is a process and needs to manifest spiritually before it manifests physically? Correct? What Can I do in order to have this verse/promise come to pass and see the fruition of this Word God placed in my heart a year ago. Even as I wrote this now I got this image in my head of when Joseph would get dreams of God speaking to him and it took years for that dream to come to pass because Joseph had to go through some trials, and eventually his dreams did come true.
Also a friend of mine told me that God spoke to her about me and said that I would have to shed my skin like a snake. This was 2 weeks ago at church when it happens and she shared it with me.
I don’t know what that means either, I know snakes she’s skin for growth and to get rid of parasites. But how can I move forward with that ? I don’t know what to do or even what to ask God,l.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
2 Corinthians 4:12
So then death is working in us; but life in you.
All humans will die, but with Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ we have eternal life. Fear of death is a normal human thing. It keeps us from doing reckless things, but it is very negative when it ruins our lives.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Part 2 will try to answer your other question. Thank you and God Bless to a blessing.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:18
Therefore, as through one man's offense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Salvation is a free gift. We can not earn it. All we need do is believe, ask for forgiveness, accept the gift, and with love follow our Savior. We follow out of love, not for want of treasures or glory. Heavenly treasures and glory are only extra incentive, but they mean we have pleased The Father. What we do is out of love.
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Faith is now, hope is the future, and love is always and eternal.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 10:23
Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.
Romans 15:13
Now may the God of hope fill you with all not and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
1 John 5:1
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
Remember, you can't earn a place in Heaven with good deeds. I pray this was of help. Thank you and truly God Bless.
Correction:
Romans 15:13
Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
I was very important to fix that typo. God Bless.
"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them." Eph. 2:8-10
So, nothing you can do or say or not do or say can earn or lose salvation. I know this was so true for me! At my worst, when I turned away from God, very angry, I knew God was there! But, I didn't care. He kept working on my heart, to bring me back to him. In the end, he just kept pressing on me to read the Psalms, and when I read the stories, I realized that we live in a fallen world, in fallen bodies. But God is there, through it all!
All we can do is trust God, no matter what the outcome. I would highly suggest you pick up a modern version of the Bible, or read on Biblegateway.com 5 psalms a day. Just keep reading every day, even if you don't understand some of it, and God will minister to your heart. That is what really turned me around!
And, I sure understand you are worried and concerned about your family! Why would you not be? The future is uncertain, although, we can all pray this disease will not be deadly. RA can also kill, but I didn't find that out till I had it for many years. And the fact is, anyone can walk across the street, and be hit by a car. Or, be in an accident, or something else.
There are no guarantees in the Bible of a perfect life. Only a perfect God! And trusting in him. But, if you are like me, sometimes, you will be down, and have bad days. But God is working on us, and changing us into his image.
"And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit" 2 Cor. 3:18
We are being transformed into the image of Christ! Wow! Now that is good news!
As for worry, the Bible does say a lot about worry and anxiety!
"Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I say, rejoice! 5 Let everyone see your gentleness. The Lord is near! 6 Do not be anxious about anything. Instead, in every situation, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, tell your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus." Phil. 4:4-7
But how hard to get to that point! So, start thanking God for your family, your church, and for Jesus. Try and focus on the things that are right. But, as RJW says, don't feel overcome with shame, because you are sick. Don't be humiliated because you have not been healed. Rejoice, instead! Or, in spite of everything!
I am so sorry you are going through this, and you are so young. But, God is in control! See Rev. 19:6! So, we trust God partly by recognizing that he is in control, and that he does know best.
Heavenly Father, I pray for Jenn, as she goes through this extremely difficult time in her life, of wondering what the future holds, and what will happen to her family. Show her that she can trust you. Let her know that you are there, even in the darkness and the storm! And you will work all things together for good! Regardless of how things are on the outside, that you love her, and you are in control. In Jesus name, I pray! Amen"
I personally, and I am sorry if this sounds nasty, think that this manifesting is just a trick of Word Faith healers. They say this to people who are not healed, and encourage them to keep on confessing. Show me where it says this in the Bible!
As far as personal prophecy, I don't believe in at all. I was in a church that did this for a number of years, and none of it came to pass. In fact, I don't see personal prophecy anywhere in the Bible. God spoke to the apostles, and they wrote it down. Or Moses, or the prophets. No, we are not those people. We do not have that gift!
But, God DOES speak to us! He tells us things in the small, still voice. He also tells us things in the Bible. Last year, I was reading the Bible in Matt 6, and I remembered just seeing the word. I looked in my Greek workbook, and I had just translated the words from Biblical Greek. Well, that could still be a coincidence, right? But, after reading my English bible, I picked up a book I was reading, that I had put aside. Guess what the chaper was about? Yes, the same words I had just read in English and Greek!
I know that was from God. But it wasn't a personal prophecy, it was directly meant to be how we are to live as Christians.
I guess that is what I hate most about Word Faith, name it and claim it. It makes everything about "me!" Instead of God! We have to put God at the center of our lives! And sadly, when we pursue other things, even good things, instead of God, we have lost what the gospel is all about.
It is not about us getting healing or wealth or restored marriages, although God certainly can and will do that! But the gospel is about walking with God.
There is a word in Greek - peripateo. It means "I walk!" But it also means "I live!" So, when we walk with Christ, we find life! And eternal life is part of that, but living in the here and now is the main part we are dealing with now.
So, I don't like personal prophecy, and especially because she might have given you false hope. I think God will speak to you personally! He will lead and guide you! For instance, God led you here, and we have been having the most amazing conversation, the three of us! We are all learning from each other, and being blessed by each other.
But, you may wonder why I put so many Bible verses in my posts. Because I know for certain they are the truth! (Of course, context is important!). I am actually a pastor, and I have a Master of Divinity which includes course on counselling. But, mostly, I try and pray when I am posting, and ask God what he would have me say, and which verses in the Bible cover it.
That seems to me to be a better idea than someone coming over unasked, and giving you a vision "she" had, about you! Why not just stick to the Bible, and you know it will be true! And what we know about that verse, Luke 13:12, that you quoted at the top of page 2, is that Jesus did heal that woman.
"When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.”" Luke 13:12
Why do we know she was healed? Well, we need to read the verses surrounding that verse - both before and after, the whole chapter, and the entire book of Luke, and then the NT and the whole Bible, and in prayer to God! Wow! That is a tall order. I know the Bible so well, I sometimes skip the step about the whole book of Luke, simply because I have read it at least 50 times, and I do know about the biblical background. Plus, I just read the whole book of Luke in Biblical Greek, which was a challenge, since Luke used very advanced Greek! Properly, the context and the purpose of the verse is this!
"Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11 And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.” 13 And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God. 14 But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” 15 Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it? 16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?” 17 As he said these things, all his adversaries were put to shame, and all the people rejoiced at all the glorious things that were done by him." Luke 13:10-17
So, what is it really about? Is it just about the women with a disabling spirit? Yes, Jesus healed her. But he healed her in front of the Pharisees. To put them to shame, but even more important, to glorify God! This passage is about God, not us!
Or, perhaps God did give you the passage, so I could try and teach you about the importance of context, proper exegesis (pulling things out of Scripture, not reading into it) and Bible hermeneutics, or interpretation. I personally don't think it was a prophecy to you. But, it is a word from God for all of us! That Jesus did have compassion, and he healed this woman, but the purpose was about glorifying God!
I hope that makes sense. If you have never been taught this, it takes a long time to learn. I took a whole course on Bible interpretation, and when I was done, I was convinced that improperly pulling verses out of context is the root of a lot of heresies, and people being led astray.
Now, if we do know the background of a verse, and the context, certainly we can use it, quote it, and learn from it. But, that does not make it a personal prophecy. Anyway, I am praying for you, and I hope my answer encourages you, rather than discouraging. Christ will heal whom he wants. But mostly, I have found he uses things to teach us and for good. But not necessarily for a sign to us!
"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose."
Romans 8:28
Here is another passage from Romans 8 which I love! Read the whole chapter!
"31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be[i] against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:31-38
I’m going to remain hopeful that it will happen and be obedient as well. That’s all I can do
I get the feeling you come from Pentecostal or charismatic circles, with some having bought into Word Faith. Well, there is a whole world of looking at God, scripture and not seeing those things. I was Pentecostal for 15 years. And many of my friends moved to the Word Faith movement. One woman got ordained by Kenneth Copeland and started her own church. Another man was on fire for God, going to every church and meeting, and praying for healing.
When I got Rheumatoid Arthritis, they prayed for me, and I was not healed. So, they blamed me for not having enough faith. I was at my lowest point physically, I had to give up my career teaching, and all they could do was attack me spiritually? I stopped going to church, reading the Bible and walked away from God. Well, in fact, I turned my face to the wall, because I was bed ridden. (God did bring me back through the reading of the Psalms).
The woman finally phoned me one day, and admitted she had breast cancer, BUT she was healed. Because she had named and claimed it. "By his stripes I am healed" and so forth. But she did not get cancer meds. Her church and family supported her, because, after all, she was already healed. Well, she died less than a year later, when the cancer metastasized to her brain.
The man who judged and condemned me, had an enlarged prostate. A non Word Faith friend found him on the floor of his house, and he was rushed to the ER, where he had surgery. That was over 10 years ago, and he sees the doctor once a year, and gets tests, and he is fine.
So, they condemned me, but yet, neither of them was healed by a miracle. And one lost her life because of it. The other man has changed his tune a lot. Something about "God uses medicine and doctors!" Yes, he does!
So, actually, this whole idea that Jesus paid for healing in the atonement is also based on extremely faulty out of context eisegesis. It is from Isa. 53:5d. That's right, your whole idea, there in the last line that "God has already paid for that on the cross" does not hold up to close scrutiny. I can't fathom how many times someone has quoted "By his stripes we are healed' to me. So, I went and did a thorough analysis of it, and it isn't so! It is NOT what the Bible says, it is a terrible lie from the devil! That so many have been deceived by this lie.
Anyway, I'll start another post about this, and hopefully it will make more sense. I am not trying to discourage you, but you are already discouraged and depressed, so maybe knowing that what you have been taught is wrong, will give you more hope for the future?
God bless your, I hope you will read the other post!
Second sometimes the Lord answers 'yes' and sometimes the Lord answers 'no'. Sometimes the answer is just plain 'no' either because He has something far better in mind for a person or because there are those in a persons' family and/or the world that NEED that persons' suffering. Suffering,when freely given with NO agenda,can be turned into one of the purest and most beautiful forms of prayer that there is!! Even though this isn't what you want to hear it's the truth! He might not want to heal you physically in this life and you have to come to terms with that. The ONLY way to do so is to go through the grieving process. Be open to(and allow)yourself to grieve for yourself and ANY other areas you have. You WON'T have peace until you grieve and surrender.