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Close to Separating, what do you think?
Maybe some of you can be my sounding board for your impressions of what I am dealing with.
I am 55, a father of 3 teenagers, and have been married for 23 years, and with the same person for 31 years, whom I do love on some level.
My dad's name was Ed, and he was the classic "steady Eddy" and I'm not far from that description. I take my marriage seriously, I don't drink, don't smoke, never hit a person in my life, help others, and tried to be a good role model. I plan things out, work hard, have been at the same company for over 20 years, and took myself from being in debt with college loans of over 50k to having money in the bank and a paid off house.
Now my wife wants to buy another house and move out, but wants to keep it "open" that maybe we would get back together.
Its a complicated dynamic where my wife is very close with our middle 16 year old daughter, probably co-dependent, and she lets her do whatever she wants - from bringing home a 10 rescue dogs at a time without telling me, to buying her a truck and dirt bikes and a camper without us discussing it, etc., etc. Then when I get a little nervous or even cranky because the barking dogs are keeping me from doing my work at home, or when I question why did she need a THIRD dirt bike, they call me grumpy and a negative person. It has been a pattern of me going along with my wife's ideas to try to keep her happy, then, because we have different interests or priorities, there are conflicts. Maybe I should have figured it out a long time ago when she and her family demanded that I change my religion to theirs, or else they didn't think we should get married. I even went to "conversion" classes, and I (yes, I) got kicked out of the class because my wife didn't want to attend the classes with me because she "already knew" about her religion. Nevermind that I was the only idiot in the classes sitting by myself, when all the other couples were there TOGETHER. So, fast forward 23 years and nothing has changed I suppose.
Now, the latest is she thinks it would be just fine for her to go and buy a tiny house on 10 acres for 200k because she might want to have some animals and some chickens and so Hannah can tear around on her dirt bikes, and she will also try to take our middle child, Eli (who is 14 and has the best head on his shoulders of all of us, to tell the truth). The oldest - who is 18 and hopefully headed for college in September - has Aspergers, has been a whirlwind to parent (and I was the one taking her to doctors, counselors, getting medicine, picking her up from school when she got expelled, and so on.... ), and the first year of college is going be a challenge (to say the least). But, conveniently, my wife now wants to move away from me and from where our oldest child will be at college during this time of transition.
My question is, if a person thinks they can spend a huge chunk of the family savings without building a consensus with her husband, isn't something wrong? I know it is, but I need to deal with the reality. She is basically already saying that since half is hers, she can spend what she wants up to half.
If a couple can't make major decisions together, and she wants to move over 2 hours away and split up the family, then, I don't know what's the point of being married? Nevermind that any romance went out the window at least 5 years ago. She's the kind of person that if I ever thought of kissing her lately, she reminds me of the last 10 things she thinks I did wrong to push away. Usually those are things like when I got upset when she brought 10 dogs home without telling me in advance and discussing it - and she wonders why I lost my cool for a couple minutes. What she conveniently forgets is that she makes what I call "major" decisions all the time without discussing it with me.
I have considered that maybe I have a temper, but, I have never had any issues with getting upset with anyone else in my entire life. Then I think that most people don't have as many surprising things come up because their spouse would have the courtesy to build a consensus on such things - so most people would never be put in such positions. But, I have begun to delve into the notion that I could have a temper and I'm more than willing to work on it. And, she says that is part of what she doesn't like - that I am "negative" and "grumpy" and I should just let her and Hannah do whatever they want and be happy about it - nevermind that I think dirt-biking is dangerous, expensive, and has distracted from her school (she probably won't graduate from high school due to all of her "interests" that I am supposed to be supporting financially - but, I am the poor parent for being concerned, she says, because I am not totally "supportive".... ?).
Anyway, it seems to me that I should just let her go, and I should try to get myself into some kind of counseling or support group to start to deal with all of this and try to build a new life for myself. I don't like myself when I get upset. But, in my parent's relationship that lasted their whole life til we lost dad a few years ago - I saw that when two people love and respect each other, they try to make things easier for each other, not harder. They work together, not against each other. They gave each other the courtesy not to surprise or shock each other with rash decisions or decisions that impact their partner or the family. So, I know it is possible and that things don't have to be this way. I just want a simple life that is steady and happy, without all of the rash decisions and barking dogs and loud dirtbikes and medical bills because this bone or that bone was broken last week while dirtbiking or snowboarding (oh, yeah, Hannah has two snowboards that were more expensive than my car - another thing they think I am "grumpy" about for questioning when they didn't discuss with me why a 16 year old needs such fancy snowboards, dirtbikes, a camper - so she can go train out of state in the winter of course.....).
I just need to figure out what to do and find the courage to do it - and just let her go, I suppose.
And then my wife and Hannah will have to live with their own choices, and I can go back to being carefree again. ??
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Cheers. Trying to keep the chin up.
You probably do have a temper and wife says you are grumpy and irritable. It would help you if you can acknowledge the truth because that will lead you to stop ignoring your own feelings. You are under a lot of stress and home life is not pleasant PLUS you may be at the age of low testosterone. Depression can make some people irritable and negative.
I think you need to get yourself to a good divorce attorney today and get some legal and financial advice. Your wife is pretending it is not divorce because maybe she still wants to use your money to support her financially? Do not sign any loans with her or for her. Do not buy her another house because you will be responsible for all the repairs, bills, etc. If you live in the USA, in a community property state, half of the money that is earned in the marriage belongs to each half of the marriage. An attorney could guide you and advise you what is in your best interests.
The other issue with this situation is perhaps you are trying to control everyone and everything as a way to have a peaceful family life. She's never been a real partner it sounds like. So I am telling you that the work is on your own self and finding the way out of this chaos and unhappiness. You can't make the chaos in the house change because the wife has effectively neutered your parenting. You don't matter in that house. We are talking about her open disdain for you and her hostility towards you as husband and father.
First thing, get to an attorney for solid legal and financial advice. You can not make good decisions without having this legal and financial advice.
It sounds like she is trying to push you away and make you the bad guy for divorcing her but this is perhaps something you will have to do to save yourself. Your choice is to stay and be locked into the eternal unwinable battle against her dysfunction and emotional abuse, or to decide it is okay to end the marriage and suffer the fallout she will surely cause. You have to decide if you are willing to save yourself or not. The courage as you wrote.
Counseling may be needed by you going alone to help you figure out things. I was in a former marriage with a male version of your wife. It is a painful thing not fixable by ourselves because we are in the marriage alone and we don't matter to the spouse.
I don't think we go back to being carefree. I think this kind of stuff like you describe can cause us deep emotional wounds and even trauma. So in my opinion, we have to work on healing ourselves. If we don't work on healing ourselves, we just get stuck and exist and maybe worse.
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You know you were steady Eddy, but now you are Half Eddy, some comedian said those words, but he was spot on. Take my lawyers advise, I didn't, but I wish I did. Don't be Grumpy, you have friends here.
Another mistake I made many years ago was that I lost track of friends from high school and college. Some of those friends weren’t good enough for my wife either. And I devoted my whole life to my family and my wife. Other than my mom and my sister and a guy at work, I don’t have many people to talk to, and I don’t like to bother my mother because she has other things going on with her health and I don’t want to bring her down with all the stuff. So I appreciate the kind words you have given and your time. Thank you.
Change is hard. Take things in small steps. Do not frighten yourself by looking at the huge mountain and saying I can't. Instead just take steps and go around the first bend. One day at a time.
Frankly I don’t think she will be surprised though.
Thanks again for the advice.
Cheers.
Well, again, without discussing with me first, my wife and middle daughter (her buddy) found one that was 20 miles OUTSIDE of the area I suggested, was much farther from my work, was way over our budget, and of course they both decided they needed to buy it and wanted to go see it the very day after they found it and were already pressuring me to buy it as there was an offer pending. I explained it really wasn't good for the family, it was smaller than our existing house, it would use up a huge chunk of our retirement savings, and to buy it we would have to sell a bunch of stocks at big losses (the war in Urkraine has really killed our investments for a month or two, plus inflation, etc.). So, while I was willing to find a house together, at the right time and if it met our family needs, they were pressuring me to go look at it. Thankfully, my 14 year old son has a good head on his shoulders and he realized right away it wasn't a great choice and he also didn't want to go look. So then my wife and middle daughter said they were going to leave us at home and they were going to "look". Now, mind you, she already has made two offers on two other houses in the past without even telling me. So, I said I know what's up, once you see it, you will both be in love with it even though it isn't right for the whole family. You see, it has 30 acres and my middle daughter wants it for tearing around on her dirt bike and she is already planning on getting more animals. (Unfortunately, my wife has a co-dependent relationship with her, and Hannah get's whatever she wants and Hannah can never to anything wrong, despite the fact she is failing high school and every chance she get's she drives wedges between me and my wife if she instantly doesn't get what she wants). So, I said, its not fair that you guys go look, I know what this means. And then I said if you guys can do whatever you want, then I can go do whatever I want. Maybe I will go for a drive whenever I feel like it. I really didn't mean to put my 14 year old on the spot but he didn't want to go anywhere but stay home, so, it came off like I am being manipulative, and of course then my wife said she is divorcing me if she can't go see the house and Hannah didn't wait more than 2 minutes to decide she was going to take off and go dirtbiking at a friend's house. When I said we can keep looking for a house within our budget and in a more convenient area, she said forget it, I am so manipulative, she is moving on with her life and taking Hannah and Eli with her. (Our oldest with autism was at a part time job....). So, was I the one being manipulative? I feel like my wife and daughter are manipulating me. Or, am I also to blame here? I just know what happens if they would go see it - they would be "set" on it, and the battle would get bigger, but, apparently it got bigger anyway because I didn't immediately go along with their plans....
My feelings go back and forth between thinking maybe I am too manipulative, to thinking "no, any wife who is a partner should be talking to her husband about such big decisions, not off making plans with one child, and should be working together within a budget and location that works best for everyone...."
And, right now I feel like a loser for having to post all this but I really need some feedback. Sorry, and thanks.