It will take me a 1 1/2 hour bus trip, but I guess if you need a quote from my info, you'll get it. But not for a while, as I am leaving next week for a long trip and I am not doing anything I don't have to until I get back.
There is always going to be some conflicting findings in medical information, either by error or by differing tests results. That is why there is always ongoing research.

Also -as I said before, unless you know the medical terminology, don't try to use it.

Manic-like episodes are not referring to real mania. It is referring to symptoms of mania that might appear to be, but aren't.

I am talking about real mania, seperate from any side effects or results from the antidepressent drug itself, being catalyzed (started by) the absence of depression caused by the antidepressant.
As far as I understand, this is what the information I was referring to is saying.

WOW! Okay.

Well, I don't understand your second post. I mean, I understand what you're trying to say, but short of having a blood test for BP, how's a doctor going to distinguish between a 'real mania' and a 'manic-like state', while on anti-depressants, if the symptoms are the same?

This was for starfish -- sorry.

That is my point, precisely. Let the dr. do the intrepretations and diagnosis.

I don't get it.

Don't know what else to tell you - ask your Dr. and see what he/she says.

If all you're trying to say is just "we don't understand it, so let's just leave it up to the doctors cause they're smarter (or better educated)", then I have to oh-so-disagree. One of these 'smarter' guys tried to make me abort my daughter by insisting, in three different conversations, that I had a blighted ovum (no true pregnancy). He was the head of the reproductive endocrinology section at a major university hospital, so he should know this basic stuff, right? Wrong. I got informed, refused the D&C, wrote him up, and today I have a bright little girl. :) I believe in being informed. He was wrong, and trusting him would have cost my daughter her life. So let's not leave to the Drs more than we have to. If we can resolve this issue, more power to us.

Now we're getting somewhere. Trust.
If you don't trust the Dr. you have, get another one. I want to know as much as you do, but unless you get a PhD in psychology, you're just not going to be able to make a DX like they can. I have met a few idiot Dr.s myself - I know what you mean. But don't let that stop you from finding a good one. Keep looking.

I have not yet met an MD I could trust. Every time I did, I was sorry in the end. (Oops - correct that. My daughter's current pediatrician has my trust any time of day. That's one in many. But she was actually a perinatal specialist in China, pediatrics is her second specialisation. Smart woman.) Your stock MD is not someone you should trust blindly. And it's only going to get worse. I TA-ed a pre-med class 12 years ago. Half of these kids were only in medicine because they didn't know what else to do for a living. But an MD is guaranteed employment and a ticket to upper-middle class. This is the generation coming out of residency now.

Ooh - here's another one: two weeks ago I went to the doctor's (again, great hospital, they should know their stuff) with a pulmonary embolism; this can be life-threatening; I told them about a recent pregnancy and strong family history purposefully, because those are risk factors; they sent me home with a lame-ass explanation for my pain, and told me to take Advil. Four days later, I was in the ER with another PE. So I could have died because they didn't do a simple blood test to see if there's active clotting. Thankfully, both clots were small, so I'm alive.

I actually twisted the doc's arm to prescribe the test, which I only know about because of my family history, and he did. Then the lady at the checkout counter forgot to give me paperwork. My head was medicated, so I forgot to bug her about it. Later I trusted the doc that it wasn't the clot, so I was lazy to go all the way back to the hospital to get it done. So I landed in the ER, escaping death, because I trusted the doctor.

Oh, you got me started... I should log out, cause I could just go on and on and on...

Funny, because I just went to see my therapist today, and we talked about just what you are describing - believe me, I underastand how you feel, and your education is biting you in the butt right now. But that is not all that is going on with you. Because of your intelligence, education, and LACK OF TRUST, it will be difficult for you to find someone you can work with. But not impossible. You need to keep looking.

So you're basing your opinion on a whole generation of doctors because of ONE class you went to??

You are very lucky to have lived through one PE, not to mention two of them. There must be a reason why you are still here!!

It is not just the Dr.'s, today the whole health care system is a different entity than it used to be - so much technology, so much can go wrong, so little time, so many patients. And unfortunately, when Dr.s and nurses make a mistake, it can be fatal.
That is why I quit nursing, so that would not happen to me. I knew I could not forgive myself, and who do I wind up losing? My own son!!

It used to be that we put our fate in our doctor's hands, and did whatever we were told. But today, expectations are much different. With the internet, especially, people are wanting to know a lot more about their conditions, and want to have a lot more of an active role in their health care.
And utimately, it is always each individual's responsibility to inform themselves of exactly what treatments/medications they are allowing to be done to them.

In your situation, you could not do much about your PE, as you were undoubtedly quite sick at the time. But you must realize that because you have had SOME bad experiences, does not mean ALL Dr.s are that bad. Depression can tint your thinking that way. I hope you find someone who can help you, because trust me, you need it.

I'm sorry I did not think of this sooner, but it might be more comfortable to continue this conversation in messages if you want. I will do whatever I can to help you figure out how you can find someone you can trust. I know it is not easy, and I've been in your shoes to some degree, for different reasons. I hope I can help!!

This is what I always thought...about your quote, CB. However, I do believe that is how my 1st Dr diagnosed me, after I became manic related to an anti-depressant.

Since then, I have proven that even without antidepressants, I can become manic.