you really have to wonder if someone that doesnt have it actually thinks and or looks @ what is actually @ play there , I know alot of aspies that have made it well in thier field , but really the socal stuff etc is one thing you really have to ask about

This person had some definite social problems, but like I said, nothing that couldn't be explained by a mood disorder, which, based on the evidence, they clearly have. Not Asperger's. They were also diagnosed as bipolar for a fact. I found a lot of things out from someone who had "ties" about them.

Oh, and they literally like to pose for artsy ("art" is used loosely here) pics that depict their aspie nature in which they strike poses, write "aspie" on their forehead...it's sick.

honestly that doesnt make sense , granted with the right people I say stuff , but not openly , you as you stated attention

is this person on here on this site

um..please don't say this peron is bipolar 2 because it doesn't fit that either and as an aspie AND bipolar 2 it just grates.

leave it as them being a poseur - that's enough.

and yes, talking about members in a derogatory way, either by name or clear implication , or indeed groups of members will get you a warning, suspension or banning.

I've been here a long time - I've seen people come back from the dead, people who are serial poseurs of one kind or another, attention seekers, wanabees etc etc and those that pose as victims to gain sexual advantage.

It's best to just hit ignore or if you see real abuse, as in a post, PM or hug to report that either directly to DS or via a CL.

I really do get what you are saying but after 5 yrs of being here, 3 as a CL that is my advice.

@meh007: I'm sorry, what?

@ gettingitright: No. If you'd like, I can show you where in a message.

@ acuriousfish: As I told gettingitright, they are not a member. They're somewhere else completely. I'm not saying ALL Bipolar 2's have those symptoms, but it really does fit: the hypomania, the hypersexuality, attention seeking, mystical experiences, delusions, all these things have been reported in bipolar 2. Also, this person DOES have severe outbursts of anger and mood swings, which, as I'm sure you know, are hallmarks of the disorder.
You have a great gif for a pic :)

ok, they are not on DS fine.

But PLEASE, just as diagnosed aspies here get annoyed about NT's saying "asp[ies are theis, aspies are that"..please don't do the same with bipolar people.

Bipolar people so not have attention seeking as a symptom or even a characteristic. That is more a Borderline personality thing. But anyway there are many things that look like bipolar even to medical people so lets not say someone is a AS poseur with a bunch of negative characteristics and then say they are likely to be BP2. We just don't know.

Again if you were to turn this around and say they were a BP poseur, list those negative characteristics and conclude they were AS I expect it would offend people here.

thanks.

@ acuriousfish

Ok, I won't. But something tells me if you saw this person you'd be making all sorts of diagnoses whether because they're so good at imitating them, or mysteriously have a little of everything.

I also know BP is is mistaken for AS and vice versa sometimes on account of panic attacks and temper tantrums ( would I be presumptuous in saying those things TEND to be more symptomatic of BP than AS?).

I don't know why you think I would start making all sorts of diagnosis on seeing them. Why would I bother? I tend to judge people on their behaviour and after spending hours on both this board and the families and friends of bipolar explaining why a casual observer cannot make a diagnosis, I'm hardly likely to do it outside of DS.

And yes, you would be presumptuous in saying panic attacks and temper tantrums are more common in BP than AS.

Plenty of AS/auties show irritation and anger issues as a reult of frustration with themselves and the world. Irritation can be part of bipolar depression or hypomania but that would be confined to bipolar episodes.

Panic is not part of bipolar disorder but social anxiety is a common issue with people on the autistic spectrum. Also panic can come from break in routine that would often stress people on the autistic spectrum - so that particular symptom is probably a lot more common within the AS population.

Equally there are alot of people with panic and anger issues that are neither AS or Bipolar.

I don't know how anyone competent could mistake bipolar for AS. Bipolar is episodic and the depressive and hypomanic episodes are defined as being outside of normal character. AS is a constant state.

And there are many other differences which you can find by comparing the diagnostics in the DSM.

From Wikipedia's entry on Hypomania

"Hypomania (literally, "below mania") is a mood state characterized by persistent and pervasive elevated (euphoric) or irritable mood, as well as thoughts and behaviors that are consistent with such a mood state. Many people also experience signature hypersexuality."

You can say Wikipedia is unreliable, but it always contains a grain of truth, and you'll be hard pressed to find a different definition anywhere. "Pervasive" is hardly "episodic".

ok, this is getting WAY off the point on the Aspergers board but I can assure you that you have interpreted the wikipedia definition incorrectly.

The pervasiveness refers to the encompassing nature of the state - ie there is a general level of arousal, mental activity, etc.

it does not mean you are permanently hypomanic.

Hypomania is defined after an elevated state that lasts a minimum of 4 days. It usually lasts days, weeks or possibly months.

If you don't believe me, please look at the DSM. Note it says the elevated mood is different from the person's normal state.

A) A distinct period of persistently elevated, expansive or irritable mood, lasting throughout at least 4 days, that is clearly different from the usual nondepressed mood.

B) During the period of mood disturbance, three (or more) of the following symptoms have persisted (four if the mood is only irritable) and have been present to a significant degree:

1) inflated self-esteem or grandiosity

2) decreased need for sleep (e.g., feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)

3) more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking

4) flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing

5) distractibility (i.e., attention too easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant external stimuli)

6) increase in goal-directed activity (at work, at school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation

7) excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., engaging in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments)

C) The episode is associated with an unequivocal change in functioning that is uncharacteristic of the person when not symptomatic.

D) The disturbance in mood and the change in functioning are observable by others.

E) The mood disturbance not severe enough to cause marked impairment in social or occupational functioning, or to necessitate hospitalization, and there are no psychotic features.

F) The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication or other treatment) or a general medical condition (e.g., hyperthyroidism)

Note: Hypomanic-like episodes that are clearly caused by somatic antidepressant treatment (e.g., medication, electroconvulsive therapy, light therapy) should not count toward a diagnosis of Bipolar II disorder.

I'd add that I suffer from Bipolar 2 disorder and have experienced hypomania.

I also have aspie traits, two step sons on the spectrum and can assure you, once again, that AS and BP2 cannot be easily confused.

Perhaps we can draw this to a close now.

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