The problem here is that most people DO understand where you are, they also know how to get someplace else too - somewhere more desirable than the place you are in now.

You do not need a new answer there is already at least one here - all ya gotta do is pick it up. Those of us who have recovered are here to try to give you some hope. The inspiration for you can be the many years of sobriety shared amongst people on this board - that should encourage you to understand that permanent sobriety can be guaranteed if you do what we have done.

You cannot see the wood for the trees at the moment. You said 'It is there to be had if we can find it' - so what else are you looking for?? The solution is posted here so often you cannot miss it! So, I'm thinking maybe you don't want to get sober that way?

That's cool but I and many others can only share our experience of recovery with you, we tell you what we have done, but if that's not what you want, then I haven't got anything else to offer you because there was no other way I could find that allowed me to stay sober.

Sometimes, the most loving thing is not always the most comfortable thing, it's not always what we want to hear, it's not what we want to do - but those who have love in their hearts will tell you the truth because to do anything else would be wrong.

You say that we shouldn't assume we know the struggle of anyone else, but alcoholism is the same all the world over, so alcoholics understand the struggle involved in letting go of alcohol but if you are struggling with other stuff then maybe others who are struggling with whatever it is can be of help to you.

It's like going to the dentist with a pain in your leg, he's not gonna be able to help you but if you go see a doctor, then he will.

BTW what did you mean when you wrote that you had a desire not to drink but not to 'OUR STANDARDS'?? I'm puzzled! :)

howto,

Read again what you wrote:

"Help us FIND the inspiration, the reason, the epiphany. It is there to be had if we can find it.

"And fuck everything you think you know. Seek it, a new answer for us. "

Well, what exactly IS it you want us to say? You're asking us to speak up and shut up at the same time. What makes this even more perplexing for us is that we haven't yet figured out how to enjoy the benefits of sobriety while still drinking.

Now just to add a little insult to the injury I've just inflicted, let me add that we DON'T forget. We've all been where you are, first demanding that we serve you an epiphany on a platter, and ten seconds later telling us to fuck everything we think we know.

But we're not laughing AT you, we're laughing WITH you. So the good news is that we mean you no harm whatsoever. The bad news is that we know the game you're playing inside out, and we've gotcha cornered.

I am sorry but there is NO new answer... you want what I have you do what I did... one day at a time.

I'm just beginning my journey and I totally appreciate the support I am getting from ppl who have succeeded. Perhaps no one knows exactly what anyone else has been through but we all know booze is bad for us and has caused us to suffer enough to want to quit. That's common ground for everybody!

Okay Olive-I feel you, I swear I do. Probably everyone here feels you...you want "new answers" because you don't want to be inconvenienced at all and want to be where some of us are miraculously overnight.

That aint gonna happen. You want what we have? You have to do what we do...which requires hard work & lots of soul searching...LOTS and double that amount in honesty.

I'm sure Rummy is flattered that you seem to have leached onto him but if what I read is true, he's not drinking this weekend, he's not waiting until Monday. By you saying Monday, you've given yourself permission to stay trashed all weekend.

Monday, there'll be a new excuse as to why you have to stay trashed Monday and so on....

You want what we have, do what we do....

Oh, and English is much, much easier to understand when you're not drunk and taking pills....give your brain some time to let the fog clear & things will start making more sense.

I know you don't get "hangovers" and that is part of your problem because physically you always feel fine, but it's probably because you just stay drunk so I mean this in the nicest way possible, I hope you feel like ass when you wake up!

And I love you.....and I'll be here when you're ready as many of us will....

Anna-I didn't realize you had so many threads going, I just read the one about the 12 pills. Please go to the ER when you wake up, they will point you in the right direction, you need help, more than just words on a computer screen. I just pm'ed you as well. Only you can do this, we can't do it for you, but we're behind you all the way.

WE are actually just a little in front of you because we came to show you the way out of the mess and our hands are extended to you so take hold and walk with us!