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I have a book I purchased awhile ago about the Sinclair method of treating alcoholism, and, although I didnt read the whole thing, Id like to share the basis of it and see if any of you have any experience with this treatment. It is called Naltrexone and it is an opioid inhibitor. Basically, when you drink, a reaction happens causing neurons to fire in your brain which triggers endorphin release. The endorphins then bind the opioid receptors which cause the neurons to fire again, and the cycle continues. We need to keep drinking because we have trained our brains that we need more and more alcohol to keep this cycle going. Naltrexone binds the opioid receptors to stop the cycle so that we can drink, but not crave more and more. The positive effects (the effects that make us crave more and more) are diminished and we can someday drink like normal people, with the one caveat that you HAVE to take naltrexone before every single time you drink.
The book claims that the proper use of Naltrexone is to KEEP DRINKING, but take the medicine before every time you drink. Within 3 or 4 months you are supposed to be cured in the sense that you have retrained your brain to not be addicted to alcohol. However, it does say that if you drink without the medicine after you are cured you run the risk of retraining your brain to be alcoholic again. So might as well take the naltrexone every time you drink forever.because better safe than sorry.
It has a high success rate think it says something like 90% (dont quote me on that), but ONLY WHEN PEOPLE TAKE IT AND KEEP DRINKING. If you take it at a point in life when you arent drinking at all, it will bind the receptors, but it isnt blocking any endorphins from binding because you havent had any alcohol to trigger endorphin release and so you arent retraining your brain anything. So it only works if you keep drinking. Anyway the success stories are that people have a very diminished interest in drinking and when they do drink, it is very little. There is no more reward for drinking to excess. You dont take this every day, only days you drink so you dont destroy your liver which is a plus (already did enough of that with the booze anyway).
I guess I was interested in this because it seems like so many people can stay sober for extremely long times, but most people relapse at some point. And then there are those that cant even stay sober for long periods. Then there are those that fear those awkward social situations where they want to fit in and have a drink or two, but know they cant drink like normal people.
Have any of you tried this drug or know anyone who has? More importantly, tried it and kept drinking? As I said, in the book they are ADAMENT that you need to take it and drink, but that sadly when the drug was being prescribed, the FDA would only allow it to be directed for use with patients that already quit drinking, and so for those people the success rate is low.
Thoughts? Experiences? Im thinking about trying this, but I dunno about having an opioid receptor blocker on my list of meds..looks real bad because usually this is prescribed to people with heroin addictions. Also not sure how easy it would be to get the doc to give me this.
P.S. book is called The Cure for Alcoholism: The Medically Proven Way to Eliminate Alcohol Addiction
Thanks for readingI know this is long but Im hoping it could help those that have tried everything else.
The book claims that the proper use of Naltrexone is to KEEP DRINKING, but take the medicine before every time you drink. Within 3 or 4 months you are supposed to be cured in the sense that you have retrained your brain to not be addicted to alcohol. However, it does say that if you drink without the medicine after you are cured you run the risk of retraining your brain to be alcoholic again. So might as well take the naltrexone every time you drink forever.because better safe than sorry.
It has a high success rate think it says something like 90% (dont quote me on that), but ONLY WHEN PEOPLE TAKE IT AND KEEP DRINKING. If you take it at a point in life when you arent drinking at all, it will bind the receptors, but it isnt blocking any endorphins from binding because you havent had any alcohol to trigger endorphin release and so you arent retraining your brain anything. So it only works if you keep drinking. Anyway the success stories are that people have a very diminished interest in drinking and when they do drink, it is very little. There is no more reward for drinking to excess. You dont take this every day, only days you drink so you dont destroy your liver which is a plus (already did enough of that with the booze anyway).
I guess I was interested in this because it seems like so many people can stay sober for extremely long times, but most people relapse at some point. And then there are those that cant even stay sober for long periods. Then there are those that fear those awkward social situations where they want to fit in and have a drink or two, but know they cant drink like normal people.
Have any of you tried this drug or know anyone who has? More importantly, tried it and kept drinking? As I said, in the book they are ADAMENT that you need to take it and drink, but that sadly when the drug was being prescribed, the FDA would only allow it to be directed for use with patients that already quit drinking, and so for those people the success rate is low.
Thoughts? Experiences? Im thinking about trying this, but I dunno about having an opioid receptor blocker on my list of meds..looks real bad because usually this is prescribed to people with heroin addictions. Also not sure how easy it would be to get the doc to give me this.
P.S. book is called The Cure for Alcoholism: The Medically Proven Way to Eliminate Alcohol Addiction
Thanks for readingI know this is long but Im hoping it could help those that have tried everything else.
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Also, like other narcotics, you build up a tolerance over time so have to keep having the dosage increased. This is how it works, when the opiod binds to the opiod receptors in the brain. The neurons send out a massive amount of dopamine which is the "feel good" chemical. Now the brain is not designed that way so it begins dropping receptors from the neurons in an attept to balance itself out and this is called...building a tolerance.
Now for some people naltrexone may be the only option but not until all other options are given a chance to work.
To my knowledge there is no cure for alcoholism. It can be controlled but not cured.
I hope anyone thinking about using naltrexone exausts all other options before going the naltrexon route because once on it, you will be on it for life!
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It is a viable treatment that has been proven in multiple studies to be effective.
That said, it is not a cure. It is only one part of treatment and it is recommended to be used in conjunction with counseling or other therapies.
i quit without it. But I would take it in a heartbeat if I thought it would help me, just like I would undergo chemo for cancer.
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/combine/appendixC.htm
To those who think it's not worth considering because there isn't enough fuss about it - I think the problem is that a lot of the times it is prescribed the mechanism isn't well known and so the docs prescribe it saying you should quit drinking and then take it. It won't work if you do this (which is why people that have already quit should just keep doing what they are currently doing). This is for people who can't quit on their own and the treatment only works if you are still drinking.
Just because something isn't wildly popular doesn't mean it's not worth looking into. Everyone is different and different things work for different people. If you already quit with AA, there isn't a need for this drug for you........it's for people that can't do that.
Brands Revia (oral)
Vivitrol (injection)
see index for additional brand names
Generic? Yes (not injection or solution)
Class
Alcohol dependence treatment; mu opioid
receptor antagonist
Commonly Prescribed for
(bold for FDA approved)
Alcohol dependence
Blockade of effects of exogenously
administered opioids (oral)
Prevention of relapse to opioid
dependence (injection)
How the Drug Works
Blocks mu opioid receptors, preventing
exogenous opioids from binding there and
thus preventing the pleasurable effects of
opioid consumption
Reduces alcohol consumption through
modulation of opioid systems, thereby
reducing the reinforcing effects of alcohol
How Long Until It Works
Can begin working within a few days but
maximum effects may not be seen for a
few weeks
If It Works
Reduces alcohol and opioid consumption
by diminishing their reinforcing properties
(rewarding effects, cravings)
If It Doesnt Work
Evaluate for and address contributing
factors
Consider switching to another agent
Consider augmenting with acamprosate
Best Augmenting Combos
for Partial Response orTreatment Resistance
Acamprosate
Augmentation therapy may be more
effective than monotherapy
Augmentation with behavioral, education,
and/or supportive therapy in groups or as
an individual is probably key to successful
treatment
Tests
Urine screen for opioids and/or naloxone
challenge test prior to initiating treatment
for opioid use
None for use in treating alcohol dependence,
although baseline liver function testing,
usually obtained anyway for managing
alcohol dependence, may be useful
SIDE EFFECTS
How Drug Causes Side Effects
Blockade of mu opioid receptors
Notable Side Effects
Nausea, vomiting, decreased appetite
Dizziness, dysphoria, anxiety
Injection site reactions (pain, tenderness,
pruritis, induration, swelling, erythema,
or bruising); in some cases injection site
reactions may be very severe
Life-Threatening or
Dangerous Side Effects
Eosinophilic pneumonia
Hepatocellular injury (at excessive doses)
Severe injection site reactions requiring
surgery
Weight Gain
Reported but not expected
Sedation
Occurs in significant minority
What to Do About Side Effects
Wait
Adjust dose
If side effects persist, discontinue use
Best Augmenting Agents for Side
Effects
Dose reduction or switching to another
agent may be more effective since most
side effects cannot be improved with an
augmenting agent
Usual Dosage Range
Oral: 50 mg/day or 100 mg on Mon and
Wed and 150 mg on Fri
Injection: 380 mg every 4 weeks
Dosage Forms
Tablet 25 mg, 50 mg, 100 mg
Oral solution 12 mg/0.6 mL
Intramuscular formulation 380 mg/vial
How to Dose
For treating alcohol dependence (oral):
recommended dose is 50 mg/day; titration
is not required
For treating alcohol dependence (injection):
380 mg delivered intramuscularly in the
gluteal region every 4 weeks; alternate
buttocks; must be administered by healthcare
professional
Patient should be opioid free for 710 days
prior to initiating treatment, as confirmed
by negative urine screen and/or naloxone
challenge test
Opioid dependence (oral): initial 25 mg/
day; day 2 can increase to 50 mg/day
Dosing Tips
Providing educational materials and
counseling in combination with naltrexone
treatment can increase the chances of
success
Individuals who abstain from alcohol for
several days prior to initiating treatment
with naltrexone may have greater
reductions in the number of drinking days
as well as number of heavy drinking days,
and may also be more likely to abstain
completely throughout treatment
Long-acting naltrexone (injection) must be
kept refrigerated
For long-acting naltrexone (injection),
the suspension should be administered
immediately after mixing
Adherence greatly enhanced and assured
for 30 days at a time when administering by
once monthly depot injection; oral treatment
requires 30 decisions to comply in 30 days
whereas long-acting injection requires only
one decision every 30 days to comply
Patients must be completely withdrawn
and abstinent from opioids for 5 days
opioids than previously used, and thus
previous doses may also lead to opioid
intoxication
Individuals receiving naltrexone who
require pain management with opioid
analgesia may need a higher dose than
usual and may experience deeper and
more prolonged respiratory depression;
pain management with non-opioid or rapid
acting opioid analgesics is recommended
if possible
Monitor patients for emergence of
depressed mood or suicidality
Use cautiously in individuals with known
psychiatric illness
Injection should be used cautiously in
individuals with thrombocytopenia or any
coagulation disorder
Do Not Use
If patient is taking opioid analgesics
If patient is currently dependent on opioids
or is in acute opiate withdrawal
If patient has failed the naloxone challenge
test or has a positive urine screen for opioids
If patient has acute hepatitis or liver failure
If there is a proven allergy to naltrexone
If there is a proven allergy to polylactidecoglycolide
(PLG), arboxymethylcellulose,
or any other components of the diluent (injection
Elderly
Safety and efficacy have not been
established
Some patients may tolerate lower doses
better
Children and Adolescents
Safety and efficacy have not been
established
Pregnancy
Risk Category C [some animal studies
show adverse effects; no controlled studies
in humans]
Pregnant women needing to stop drinking
may consider behavioral therapy before
pharmacotherapy
Not generally recommended for use during
pregnancy, especially during fi rst trimester
Breast Feeding
Some drug is found in mothers breast milk
Recommended either to discontinue drug
or bottle feed
SPECIAL POPULATIONS
Renal Impairment
Dose adjustment not generally necessary
for mild impairment
Not studied in moderate to severe renal
impairment
Hepatic Impairment
Has the potential to cause hepatocellular
injury when given in excessive doses
Dose adjustment not generally necessary
for mild impairment
Not studied in severe hepatic impairment
Contraindicated in acute hepatitis or liver
failure
Cardiac Impairment
Limited available data
THE ART OF PSYCHOPHARMACOLOGY
Potential Advantages
Individuals who are not ready to abstain
completely from alcohol
For binge drinkers
Potential Disadvantages
Patients who drink over their treatment,
including their long-acting injection
Less effective in patients who are not
abstinent at the time of treatment initation
Primary Target Symptoms
Alcohol dependence
Pearls
Not only increases total abstinence, but
also can reduce days of heavy drinking
May be a preferred treatment if the goal is
reduced-risk drinking (i.e., 34 drinks per
day in men, maximum 16 drinks per week;
23 drinks per day in women, maximum
12 drinks per week)
Less effective in patients who are not
abstinent at the time of treatment
initiation
Some patients complain of apathy or loss
of pleasure with chronic treatment
The combination of naltrexone and
bupropion has demonstrated effi cacy as
treatment for obesity and is currently being
evaluated in a long-term study to assess
the cardiovascular health outcomes of this
treatment.
Suggested Reading
Anton RF , OMalley SS , Ciraulo DA , et al.
Combined pharmacotherapies and behavioral
interventions for alcohol dependence: the
COMBINE study: a randomized controlled trial .
JAMA 2006 ; 295 (17): 2003 17.
Johansson BA , Berglund M , Lindregn A .
Effi cacy of maintenance treatment with
naltrexone for opioid dependence:
a meta-analytical review . Addiction
2006 ; 101 (4): 491 503.
Mannelli P , Peindl K , Masand PS , Patkar SS .
Long-acting injectable naltrexone for the
treatment of alcohol dependence . Expert Rev
Neurother 2007 ; 7 (10): 1265 77.
Rosner S , Leucht S , Lehert P , Soyka M .
Acamprosate supports abstinence, naltrexone
prevents excessive drinking: evidence from
a meta-analysis with unreported outcomes .
J Psychopharmacol 2008 ; 22 : 11 23.
Stahl, Stephen M. (2013-04-11). Stahl's Essential Psychopharmacology (Kindle Locations 12085-12103). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition.
Naltrexone is better known and accepted in some other addiction support groups like SMART than in AA...
That said, if someone is physically addicted, I'm all for whatever can get them clean and sober so they can start the work and reap the benefits of living a rich sober life.