By the way I didn't know where this thread title was going to get cut off. It looks like I'm trying to be offensive at a first glance. I'm not.

well for a start the posts i have read from a certain person who i wont mention, when i read it it comes across to me as if the person writing the post doesnt give a damn about the newcomers feelings and their situation ... its just my observation. and when that person is not understood the posts are closed...

its just ridicolous

I'm not much on closing post either soberworld. I think they're better left out there so people can give therir opinion.
Newcomers are the most important people here and we certainly want them to feel welcome. We also need to provide a forum for members to discuss the program's finer points.

I so agree with you donttread! I just don't get off on witch hunts..

How about ghosts with candles Lol!!!!

whats bothering me is that people who have more soberity than other think they can intimidate them by telling them that aa is the only way and try and get them to get them to think that thier way is the wrong way, im a aa person myself but im not liking this site rite now , its really begin to wind me up....and i maybe outspeaking but it has to be said...

Would someone please point out a recent thread to me that says "AA is the only way to get sober" or "if you're not in AA, you're going to die"?

I'm being serious, I have not seen anything of the sort in a long time...yes I've seen threads talking about AA being something that has worked for some but I have yet to see any mention of it being "AA or you're not sober" in months.

Please.......someone show me where non AA'ers have been bashed. I would really like to understand where this is coming from lately.

I asked Jan in a hug if it would have pissed her off to see a thread singling out Men only or People who drive Honda's only.....I don't believe because a thread is asking a question of Men who drive Hondas as saying that Women who drive Chevy's are idiots.

But it seems as though that is the way it is perceived by some.

I also keep seeing mention of many saying "AA is the only way" as Mel just did but I have yet to see that anywhere recently.....

Seriously-please show me where that is being seen.....Is there a secret board that I am not aware of? SHOW ME THE MONEY!

oh and welcome back Mel-hope you're doing well..

actually hc, its always being like that, ''aa is the only way'' slogan, and it comes across to me that people are wary of people who are not in aa recovery and begin to question them , anyway il think il stop before i get personally attacked by someone just coz i gave my opinon..

Quote this to them Mel ( although AA was the only way for me)
"AA works best for most" Aa never claimed to work "Solely for all"

The problem is AA does not work best for most....maybe most on this board because part of the program is to help other alcoholics and they feel the best way is to steer them twords AA. I don't have a problem with it because I think people should try it for awhile before they make judgement. That being said AA does not keep records of how many people stay sober with the program....I'm not sure how they could?

An arguement can be made using the old "it works if you work it", but I could start a program that's only requirement is you just don't drink alcohol that would also "work if you work it"

I don't think their are many people on here that would come out and say "aa is the only way" but I've been on DS awhile and their are a few that believe this and have said it.....It was one reason I left when I first joined and started the recovery without AA page.

Anyways Donttread I agree that most little arguments we have are no big deal.

I'm seeing within "aa" threads ..."YOUR.. not doing it the" RIGHT" way" again to me the little "holyer than thou" attitude even to those with long(?) term sobriety. BTW What IS considered "LONG" term by most? 3 yrs? 5yr? 10?

Mel, when I was young I hung around Missionaries and other "highly" religious people who spent hours debating the nuance's of the bible and theology. Listen to all you can and learn,... BUT... come away with something YOU can live with and make a part of your daily life. Its NO GOOD if it doesn't work for YOU.

good point pooh bear....what is long recovery? To me I try to but more and more time between slips...It may have started with just taking one day off a week, but the next time I'll make it two, than a week, than a month, and someday forever.

One day At a Time. Yesterdays tomorrow is all we really have.

What I see on both sides of the debate is the misspelling and misuse of words that sound the same, but which have very different meanings. That raises the rather disturbing question of whether those who get into these arguments even understand what others are saying, and whether they have a clue as to how they themselves are being understood when they write.