Staying sober is a bit of requirement here too!

Thanks for the quote, it was certainly true for me. I'm still as powerless over alcohol as I was during my last drunk but trusting God and "cleaning house" .- as we understand it in AA - keeps me free of any desire to drink. Makes me happy and content also!

This quote is a reminder of what i dislike about AA.

ExJG, I'm glad you found a way to stay sober without AA but why rob another person who may be contemplating AA by saying unnecessary disparaging remarks?

I am not robbing anyone of anything! If anyone reads this quote and finds it meaningful, then good for them. Hopefully they will get a copy of the Big Book and read it cover to cover.

But I think it is also okay to say when you don't like something. You know, for people who read this stuff and think, "How the heck can I get sober when so many people talk about AA and I can't get into it?"

AA is going to survive my honesty and the people who come here are capable of making decisions based on more than a constant flow of positive comments.

Exjersey..love the honesty.made me crack up..I also needed the quote today..

And I am not bashing AA nor do I have any desire to. I am glad when it works for people. I think that is AWESOME! I just want some balance for the people who find AA to not be the solution to alcoholism.

And for me. I come here to learn and to discuss alcoholism as well as share my experiences and thoughts. What's wrong with that?

I so agree..sick of AA pushing..this board is not an AA board..but this post was so I should have ignored it

What authority does the person who wrote this quote have to impose such a statement on others?

If I read that quote blindly with no idea where it was from, I'd think it was from some fundamental religious or political group.

But if it helps, power to you!

It is a quote from a particular book, but the principles at hand are what attract me. Brush aside the fire and brimstone style of delivery and it isn't saying anything none of us can't understand. Clearing a path through our defects and owning the aftermath is not an original concept, nor is it difficult once the desire for contentment overrides misery. God,well if you don't believe in God, that is also your option. Belief that you can have a better life than the one active alcoholism brings is a manifestation spiritual in nature. AA's 3rd tradition allows that flexibility for its members, so it should not affect non-members. The spirit of unity demands that we rise above judgement. Which does not imply we are all unified, though it appears our common welfare should be our primary concern.

I go to aa and still find it hard to totally turn it over and to clean house. I guess I'm just a stubborn old alcoholic. But I do try to be a better person ea day.
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I was a hopeless drunk that could not make it thru lunch before I had a few beers, then about 5-6 more at a bar after work, then buy a 12 pack on the way home. I was hopeless. I had tried to quit so many times. Aa gave me a path. I was stubborn but my first aa mtg in earnest was june9 12. My last drink , this time was June 10. I would be dead if aa was not around. I'm not saying it's the only way but it worked for me!! ( if I can stay connected with my disease, I can manage it)

Getting well to me opened up a Ants nest but I was young and wanted to understand at least!! Unencumbered as a Sentient being required faith in something...Bob Marley was my life saver Dont worry about a thing ...I know I know tough !!But its my life Ill have to do whats staring me in the face As I get on wiff it :)))

Suffering silently only created a neurotic little boy, be it sober Or Not!!!!

Ol fashion Sunday go to meeting cloths...rings in Nostalgia for Me But I get to examine the bristling hair on the back of my neck as old stuff examined and justly discarded for something new. To assimilate is to swallow and ingest and learn to try something else anew YOu!!:)))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y3Q7H2urto&list=PL9285D44ED7F7B18B

Yah Buddy!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyhmpQ0bMj0

I still think that my statement applied.....from above...sobriety is important part of getting better....

I guess the fine print is hard to read for Many.. I actually got repeating is only rehashing a old wound better to stay current(sober)!! That was then This Now.. Thank God!!Aye Bill:))
Billy