Beginning to understand the importance of NC
OMG! I just FINALLY was able to get off the phone with him. First, there was the question of our daughter's therapy appointments, the tentative dx of depression, and once again--what was she telling the therapist; how did I feel about it; what was going on; why wasn't I including him in the sessions. I calmly and slowly explained to the ass that this is individual therapy, not family therapy--that is to come later--(for about the hundredth time), but that he should feel free to call the therapist (gave him the name and number) if it would make him feel more at ease. He then flat out discredited the psychiatrist because he disagrees with her dx. Our daughter is not depressed; it is my fault she is the way she is because I allow her to act that way when she doesn't get her way (thing is, she acts like this ALL the time, so while there was a time I may have believed him, now is not the time). Basically, he either wants me to take her out of counseling, or he is insisting that he get to tell HIS side to the therapist because it isn't fair that we are ganging up on him. Seriously dude! What the hell makes him think anyone is that interested in talking about him (of course we have talked about some of the things that go on in the house, but he is not privy to any of that private information).
From there, it became about what was my problem the other night--the night with the phone incident. THAT particular conversation went on for literally two hours! While he tried to explain to me how the fact that I "started a fight like that" just proves to him that I am not invested in the relationship; that I think he's a POS, and on and on. While I tried over and over again to lead him back to the fact that MY feelings about the subject of him having downloads and photos of me and other nude women (and other things) on his phone does not mean that he is innocent for having them in the first place, he insists that the problem is mine. If I wasn't so hateful and mean to him, I would never have questioned him like that!!! OMG the thing is he is dead serious. He cannot fathom the fact that HE is in the wrong; NOT ME. I'm just supposed to forget about it and APOLOGIZE TO HIM FOR THINKING HE WAS UP TO NO GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE--FOR BEING SO ABUSIVE TOWARD HIM!!!!!!!!! I cannot even wrap my mind around his thought processes, but talking to him definitely makes me feel crazy, so I totally get why no contact is the only way to go with these guys. He even dragged in the fact that before we had children of our own, when we were dating, I used to go out with friends from work every couple weekends or so, and he doesn't bring that up and he didn't know what I was doing. And also, I probably wouldn't tell him if people were hitting on me at work and that's just wrong, yet I sit here and accuse him of doing something outside of the relationship. I just absolutely cannot fathom where he is getting this stuff. Seriously.
Trying not to smoke is really difficult with his insanity lurking in my life. That's all I can say. But I'm sad to say that for nearly ten seconds I did start to second guess myself when he tried to say I am the reason he does not have a relationship with his kids because that's the way I wanted it. The thing is there is some truth to that, but it certainly wasn't because I didn't want my children to have a father present and active in their lives. It was because he was so horribly abusive and neglectful from day one, that I did my best to shield my children from that. However, I'm not sure what a judge might think of that statement. He is so convinced himself that this is absolute truth, he almost had me convinced of the truth of it, and I'VE LIVED IT FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES! How much easier will it be for him to convince someone who doesn't know either of us of that little lie?
Oh well, I'm not going to borrow tomorrow's troubles for today, as the saying goes. I'm just going to pray that all goes well and pray for the day when I no longer have to worry about any of this crap!! I think I'm going to post this in the forum just to get some rational responses to it; something to help me read between the lines and to bring me some clarity and sanity after his conversation!
From there, it became about what was my problem the other night--the night with the phone incident. THAT particular conversation went on for literally two hours! While he tried to explain to me how the fact that I "started a fight like that" just proves to him that I am not invested in the relationship; that I think he's a POS, and on and on. While I tried over and over again to lead him back to the fact that MY feelings about the subject of him having downloads and photos of me and other nude women (and other things) on his phone does not mean that he is innocent for having them in the first place, he insists that the problem is mine. If I wasn't so hateful and mean to him, I would never have questioned him like that!!! OMG the thing is he is dead serious. He cannot fathom the fact that HE is in the wrong; NOT ME. I'm just supposed to forget about it and APOLOGIZE TO HIM FOR THINKING HE WAS UP TO NO GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE--FOR BEING SO ABUSIVE TOWARD HIM!!!!!!!!! I cannot even wrap my mind around his thought processes, but talking to him definitely makes me feel crazy, so I totally get why no contact is the only way to go with these guys. He even dragged in the fact that before we had children of our own, when we were dating, I used to go out with friends from work every couple weekends or so, and he doesn't bring that up and he didn't know what I was doing. And also, I probably wouldn't tell him if people were hitting on me at work and that's just wrong, yet I sit here and accuse him of doing something outside of the relationship. I just absolutely cannot fathom where he is getting this stuff. Seriously.
Trying not to smoke is really difficult with his insanity lurking in my life. That's all I can say. But I'm sad to say that for nearly ten seconds I did start to second guess myself when he tried to say I am the reason he does not have a relationship with his kids because that's the way I wanted it. The thing is there is some truth to that, but it certainly wasn't because I didn't want my children to have a father present and active in their lives. It was because he was so horribly abusive and neglectful from day one, that I did my best to shield my children from that. However, I'm not sure what a judge might think of that statement. He is so convinced himself that this is absolute truth, he almost had me convinced of the truth of it, and I'VE LIVED IT FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES! How much easier will it be for him to convince someone who doesn't know either of us of that little lie?
Oh well, I'm not going to borrow tomorrow's troubles for today, as the saying goes. I'm just going to pray that all goes well and pray for the day when I no longer have to worry about any of this crap!! I think I'm going to post this in the forum just to get some rational responses to it; something to help me read between the lines and to bring me some clarity and sanity after his conversation!
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Yep. NC is a life saver. Mine still tries to pull me onto the crazy-making merry-go-round, but I deflect him nearly every time by refusing to engage. Not answering pointless texts or emails, never picking up the phone if it\'s him (unless he has the kids), not speaking to his gf or mother. Because, surprise surprise, everything is *still* all my fault! And yeah, sometimes I still buy it. Ugh.
I still cannot imagine how they project all their pathology onto their victims, but they do, and it will be so much better for all of you soon when you are away from him. Hugs.
You are doing the right thing to minimize contact and to not let a kernel of truth get blown out of proportion. That\'s how we get hooked - there\'s something true that they observe and then totally distort.
There will be a challenge with others, especially the courts. Your job is to document everything and to keep calm, cool and collected. State the facts and take the emotions out as best you can.